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Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

What justifies Bundy not paying to graze his cattle on land he does not own?

Why would anyone defend such selfish actions?
 
What justifies Bundy not paying to graze his cattle on land he does not own?

Why would anyone defend such selfish actions?

Squatter's rights?

His family has been there since the 1800's, maybe he feels he's entitled to land he does not own? Sounds kind of liburul I know, but that might be what's going on in his mind.
 
Squatter's rights?

His family has been there since the 1800's, maybe he feels he's entitled to land he does not own? Sounds kind of liburul I know, but that might be what's going on in his mind.

Squatter's rights apply to property that has been abandoned by its' owner. The feds have obviously not abandoned this property, as demonstrated by it's activities
 
Squatter's rights apply to property that has been abandoned by its' owner. The feds have obviously not abandoned this property, as demonstrated by it's activities

Nor has Bundy abandoned his grazing rights, he just refuses to pay because he thinks he's in the right.

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop now. He's served with a summons to appear in federal court, (he probably already knows what he owes - government invoices) and if he doesn't appear, a warrant issued for failure to appear, feds go to his ranch, and attempt to arrest him, another Waco or Ruby Ridge could be on the horizon.
 
Nor has Bundy abandoned his grazing rights, he just refuses to pay because he thinks he's in the right.

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop now. He's served with a summons to appear in federal court, (he probably already knows what he owes - government invoices) and if he doesn't appear, a warrant issued for failure to appear, feds go to his ranch, and attempt to arrest him, another Waco or Ruby Ridge could be on the horizon.

My understanding is that "grazing rights" can not be maintained unless one continues to pay for those rights.
 
My understanding is that "grazing rights" can not be maintained unless one continues to pay for those rights.

Bundy is what? 10 years or more in arrears?

Bundy stopped paying grazing fees of about $1.35 a month per cow-calf pair in 1993, ignored the government's cancellation of his leases and defied federal court orders to remove his cattle, according to the U.S. Bureau of Land Management. But it took more than 20 years for the government to forcefully intervene.

I have to wonder why it's taken so long for the feds to enforce?
 
The federal government needs to start selling it's public land to the private owners and pay off it's debt.
 
They sure have acted. they've been going after him since soon after he stopped paying

But they waited this long to take forceful action. I wonder why?
 
Bundy is what? 10 years or more in arrears?



I have to wonder why it's taken so long for the feds to enforce?

After the Waco and Ruby Ridge fiascos, the feds give anybody whose dispute with the feds has right wing overtones alot of leeway. Permisssion to investigate, let alone arrest one of these individuals must be cleared by the Washington - not say, local BLM offices. That permission can be be very slow in coming. Of course, this only emboldens these types further.

Also, the feds were rightfully wooried that Bundy would use the internet to summon a variety of heavily armed zealots to his defense and that Bundy or one of his sympathizers would get killed - thus giving "the cause" another "martyr". Then there is the possibility that federal agents could get killed as well.
 
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I would say, you and others really don't have a clue as to what is happening in Nevada but if it can be construed in any fashion as being negative toward the Administration, even when falsehoods are used as 'support', you will go for it.

That doesn't change what got the wheels of government rolling over him. Once they start, they don't stop - nor does the announcement of intentions change anything anyway.
 
But they waited this long to take forceful action. I wonder why?

I think it has something to do with a thing called "the law" and the fact that Bundy recently made statements that could be considered threatening
 
The federal government needs to start selling it's public land to the private owners and pay off it's debt.

Unfortunately that would put the grazing lands all over the US in the hands of a very few owners. Eventually there would be no grazing lands left for farmers who aren't part of the large concerns.

Also, private land is much more subject to zoning change. Eventually those grazing lands would be condos.
 
That doesn't change what got the wheels of government rolling over him. Once they start, they don't stop - nor does the announcement of intentions change anything anyway.

What got "the wheels of government rolling" was a failure to pay his bills - for TWENTY FREAKIN' YEARS!!! If nothing else happens, his credit rating should be negative.

The man's actions over several years just might be why the Nevada Cattlemen's Assn didn't provide support for Bundy.
 
Squatter's rights?

His family has been there since the 1800's, maybe he feels he's entitled to land he does not own? Sounds kind of liburul I know, but that might be what's going on in his mind.

I really do not give two craps about his family history. He does not own the land but uses it for his own business purposes and owes money accordingly.
 
What got "the wheels of government rolling" was a failure to pay his bills - for TWENTY FREAKIN' YEARS!!! If nothing else happens, his credit rating should be negative.

The man's actions over several years just might be why the Nevada Cattlemen's Assn didn't provide support for Bundy.

Nonsense.

Then why did the Fed's have to use thd false narraw of desert turtle protection. ?
 
Landlords don't usually arrive armed and with helicopters either.

Gee, if I refused to pay my private citizen land lord rent money for years and then I also refused to leave the property and also advanced half baked theories that he was not the owner, I think he would come armed. And... I dont think it would have taken him as a private citizen years to show up either.

Helicopter? Probably not, simply because he does not own one. If he had one, he would probably bring that to.
 
What got "the wheels of government rolling" was a failure to pay his bills - for TWENTY FREAKIN' YEARS!!! If nothing else happens, his credit rating should be negative.

The man's actions over several years just might be why the Nevada Cattlemen's Assn didn't provide support for Bundy.

Great post, and I agree. But, if you have ever owed the fed, like the IRS money, you and I know it's only a matter of time before they do something about it, such as wage garnishment, seizing property, and so forth.

I have to admit, rounding up his cattle is a bit extreme, moreover probably a scare tactic that backfired. The judges should have issued a warrant for Bundy's arrest, and had US Marshals deliver it, and placed him in custody peacefully.

If I didn't know better, I'd have to say the judges PWND the federal agents by issuing arrest warrants for cattle.
 
Great post, and I agree. But, if you have ever owed the fed, like the IRS money, you and I know it's only a matter of time before they do something about it, such as wage garnishment, seizing property, and so forth.

I have to admit, rounding up his cattle is a bit extreme, moreover probably a scare tactic that backfired. The judges should have issued a warrant for Bundy's arrest, and had US Marshals deliver it, and placed him in custody peacefully.

If I didn't know better, I'd have to say the judges PWND the federal agents by issuing arrest warrants for cattle.

One little point I noted but nobody else seems to have caught it
Between Saturday and Wednesday, contracted wranglers impounded a total of 352 cattle, federal officials said. Bundy says he owns 500 of the more than 900 cattle that federal officials are planning to confiscate for illegal grazing, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported. Bundy told the newspaper that each head of his livestock is worth about $1,000.
Who owns the extra 400 cows? Is Bundy just going to acquire the extra ones because no one else will claim them? If they really are each worth $1000, that is $400,000 wandering around on federal lands - who should benefit?
 
One little point I noted but nobody else seems to have caught it
Who owns the extra 400 cows? Is Bundy just going to acquire the extra ones because no one else will claim them? If they really are each worth $1000, that is $400,000 wandering around on federal lands - who should benefit?

It depends on what the feds have in store.

Usually, when a person, company or corporation owes the federal government, the government seizes assets to satisfy a court judgement, and those assets are liquidated - sold to satisfy the terms of the judgement. The federal government will end up taking the funds, but they'd better make sure that the cattle they arrested have Bundy's brands on them and not some other rancher's brand.

If the sale of the cattle arrested doesn't cover what he owes, his ranch might go on an auction block, but that depends on if the feds go that far.
 
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