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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    The irony will likely be that the turtles could only thrive where there was active cattle operations.
    The cattle were rendering the vegetation into something the turtles could eat.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    The situation shows failure of government. The legal system hasn't fixed the situation. The local government has been unable to act. The BLM did not complete their task. 20 years of ineffective management is coming to a head.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    One thing should be noted here, apparently Bundy hasn't refused to pay the fees, he's tried to pay them to to Clarke County NV. They have just refused to take the payments. So he's not exactly a deadbeat.
    if you have a mortgage with bank of America and instead attempt to make your payments to wells fargo, because you don't like the way bank of America is giving bonuses to is employees, you are intentionally NOT tendering payment where and when due. you have created a default situation because you have refused to pay the creditor what is just due the creditor. and that has been found to be the circumstance thru protracted litigation in this matter

    He stopped paying the BLM because they were suppose to be there to assist ranchers in managing their land, when the BLM stopped doing that he stopped paying them. That sounds entirely reasonable to me.
    it's identified mission, from the BLM site:
    To sustain the health, diversity, and productivity of America’s public lands for the use and enjoyment of present and future generations.
    About the BLM

    notice that it is to manage PUBLIC lands, NOT PRIVATELY owned ranches. which then tells us your conclusion is very wrong. and very UNREASONABLE


    If you pay someone to do something and they stop doing it you should not have to pay them.
    notice that the BLM IS doing its job. this rancher is making that difficult for them. in a variety of ways he and his family and supporters are impeding the accomplishment of the BLM mission

    Doesn't matter if its a private company or a government agency.
    actually, it does. try not paying your taxes because you don't think the government is doing what you believe it should do with your tax dollars. let me know how that works out; if necessary, i will send stamps and stationary so that you can write us about it from the correctional facility

    He did still try and pay the fees that were owed to a different government agency though, they just refused to accept the payment.
    he attempted to pay a local county government the monies owed the federal government, recognizing such funds could not be legally accepted. he was too clever by half. the cost of collections, previously estimated to be one million dollars, will only escalate because bundy has estopped the BLM from legally attaching his cattle to its court decreed judgment against his ranch. that cost of collections is imposed on top of the $1.1 million due and owing. all he has done is pile more debt against his ranch. the legacy he leaves his family will likely be bankruptcy. one hell of a win for him ... and for your side, which for some incredulous reason finds bundy, who denies federal authority, a credible character, deserving of support in the media and with guns on the ground. this manufactured confrontation, and the reich wing's support of it, illustrates why the public finds the tea party to now be out of touch with the values of the average American
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I wouldn't exactly say that Nevada has nothing to do with that particular bit of land would you?
    Nevada has no say in the matters of federally owned lands, or the fees due for those lands from grazing or use of them.

    When I lived in New Mexico, we camped at the Mesa campground, the fee for camping was about 12 bucks a day, paid to the USDA, a government agency.

    There are cattle ranchers in New Mexico who own land abutting National Forests, those ranchers pay their grazing fees, not to the state, but to the USDA, a federal agency.

    I don't understand what part of this dispute has a few using this forum confused.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The fed govt should never have control of 84% of a state. It's outrageous, and the discussion of grazing rights should be within the state.
    If you'll recall, there's a LOT of that which is owned by the Department of Defense. And in any case, if America owning 84% of that state is your issue, then LOBBY for it to get changed - get VOTES to change it. You can't just go do what you want with somewhere that is not your yours and yours alone and somehow still expect that nothing bad will happen.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    So this means that he's now the posterboy loved by all liberals?
    Must be. According to Freedomfromall's post:

    What gets me about people openly supporting Cliven Bundy is what they are supporting: "I abide by all of Nevada state laws. But I don’t recognize the United States government as even existing,"
    he must be one of those America hating liberals we hear about.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    The irony will likely be that the turtles could only thrive where there was active cattle operations.
    The cattle were rendering the vegetation into something the turtles could eat.
    Yes, and people who support Bundy seem to thrive on the same sort of food.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, and people who support Bundy seem to thrive on the same sort of food.
    I support Bundy in a very limited fashion - standing up to brown shirt heavy handed federal government tactics. His legal issues, the judgements against him - they are all of his doing and he will need to answer for those somehow.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Meh its just your opinion oh well.
    No, only about 40% of the colonists supported the patriot cause and considered themselves patriots.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, only about 40% of the colonists supported the patriot cause and considered themselves patriots.
    So, if they'd had an election to decide whether to have a revolution, the US would still be a part of the British Commonwealth, like Canada. Interesting.
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