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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Seriously a bad tyrannical government would have shot their asses dead on the spot.
    Martha Stewart was investigated for suspicion of breaking investment laws and the evidence gathered showed that she hadn't broken any laws and so she was sent to prison for what her investigators alleged was a falsehood in her conversations with them.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    C'mon, guy - answer the question. Let's say I move right next to that same plot of federal land. Who's got more right to say what goes on on that land - the rancher who wants to let his cattle crap all over what he says is his federal land, or myself, who tells him that no, he can't let his cattle crap all over I say is my federal land.

    How do we decide who is 'more' right?
    You're mixing apples and oranges. The problem here is that the federal govt is involved at all. After that's settle we'll settle the grazing rights.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    A key to this discussion is Bundy's claim that he is the "last" rancher in that area. Obviously, if that claim is false, then his credibility is shot and everything is suspect. But, if his claim is true, then the federal government essentially taxed and regulated an entire little sector out of existence! How can that possibly be defended?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I am thinking that people like George Washington would not agree with you. You Remember President Washington right? He was a famous military figure from the American Revolution. ANd you 40% figure came from where? stormfront?
    There are those that say that 75% supported the war, but they are counting people that were on the fence on the issue as people that supported it, which actually amounts for about half of those they are counting as supporting the revolution. If you just count those that supported the cause, as I did, then you are looking at around 40%.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Is that the crux of the issue for you?

    I'm not following this saga all that closely but my understanding is that Bundy was willing to pay but those who he sent the money to refused to accept it.

    Now what, from where you stand?
    According to what was posted earlier, he refused to pay because he didn't like the way they used their money.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You're mixing apples and oranges. The problem here is that the federal govt is involved at all. After that's settle we'll settle the grazing rights.
    Wrong. It's not apples and oranges - it's apples and apples. It's federal land...which belongs to me just as much as it belongs to that rancher. What gives him the right to have his cattle crap all over that land every day, all the while ignoring those people - who own that land just as much as he does - who tell him that no, he can't have his cattle crap all over that land?

    You know what the answer is...but you're going to avoid it all day long, because you know I'm right and he's wrong. Not that you'd ever admit that, either.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    "I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." -Thomas Sowell

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    There are clearly some unresolved issues.
    No, there aren't. You go to court to resolve issues.

    And they did.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Is that the crux of the issue for you?

    I'm not following this saga all that closely but my understanding is that Bundy was willing to pay but those who he sent the money to refused to accept it.

    Now what, from where you stand?
    The issue is that this guy is a welfare queen deadbeat.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    There are those that say that 75% supported the war, but they are counting people that were on the fence on the issue as people that supported it, which actually amounts for about half of those they are counting as supporting the revolution. If you just count those that supported the cause, as I did, then you are looking at around 40%.
    Meh its just your opinion oh well.

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