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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    THAT is what he could have taken to court and won. As long as the government is cashing the checks for fees made in a timely manner, they are law bound to allow him grazing. Remember what I said about an escrow account. Same thing as if you have a beef with a utility company - you do NOT get to just shine on the bill. You must pay to an escrow account until the court has the time to hear your case. Otherwise it'll always go against you in court.
    And what if they stopped cashing the checks, or accepting payment of any kind?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    And what if they stopped cashing the checks, or accepting payment of any kind?
    Then you pay to an escrow account and off to court you go, I thought I was clear about that. But once they cash the check, they KNOW they are legally bound to allow the practice.

    It's just excuse after excuse for a fellow that took a position that turned out to be wrong (legally). They are no longer his cattle, it's no longer his ranch. It will be sold to satisfy his debt (in part, he'll owe the rest).

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nope, the feds have a legitimate lien on his cattle and his land. He's got no legs to stand upon here. As long as both cattle and property value aren't over the 1.1 million he owes, it's the government's property now.
    sorry you can't destroy someones property. they have a leinn huh were is the lein note and where is the warrent to seize his personal assets?

    sorry while he might OWE them that unless they have a court order with a judgement against him on it they can't do anything to his property that includes his cattle.

    they are however responsible for any damage and destruction caused. from what i have seen they have caused quite a bit.
    destruction of pens, water lines and other things.

    all of which is illegal.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Your article stated:
    April 1995: The fight between the Bureau of Land Management and the ranchers who want to use the federal land without fees or oversight is growing more tense, according to a story published in USA Today.


    Thursday evening, a small bomb went off in the U.S. Forest Service office in Carson City, Nev.

    Though no one has taken responsibility -- and no one was injured -- it has sent chills through government agencies involved in Western land management.

    "If it was sent as a message," says Forest Service spokeswoman Erin O'Connor, "we got it."
    As far as I know it could have been you that did this, since no one has taken responsibility.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Your article stated:


    As far as I know it could have been you that did this, since no one has taken responsibility.
    Then you don't know ****.
    Last edited by AJiveMan; 04-16-14 at 07:27 PM.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Then you know ****.
    What is important is that you don't know who is responsible.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    What is important is that you don't know who is responsible.
    I didn't write the article taxman.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Eminent domain was put directly in the Constitution by the founders. Guess how many people consented to the constitution? Look at the names that signed it. That is all those individuals that consented to it. Guess how many people appointed the founders to do anything?

    There is really no merit to eminent domain that essentially gives the government ownership of all property.
    Eminent domain gives the government the right to acquire property needed for public projects by paying the fair market value of it. It does not give the government ownership of all or indeed of any property that they did not buy. It may be a thorn in some people's sides, but without it highways would simply not be built. One landowner could stall any project forever by simply refusing to sell.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The turtle issue is a dead one....The conservation center plans to kill the tortoise....In a HuffPo article outing this fact, I think I may have found were the BLM comes up with their ridiculous $1 million claim:

    "The Bureau of Land Management has paid for the holding and research facility with fees imposed on developers who disturb tortoise habitat on public land. As the housing boom swept through southern Nevada in the 2000s, the tortoise budget swelled. But when the recession hit, the housing market contracted, and the bureau and its local government partners began struggling to meet the center's $1 million annual budget."

    Desert Tortoise Faces Threat From Conservation Center

    This may be as simple as a good old fashioned shakedown...

    And yes there are legitimate purposes for eminent domain, as laid out in the constitution as well. So, tell me Ditto, is there a road going through there? A hospital being proposed? A school? No....Also under eminent domain those being harmed by the grab are supposed to be compensated....What was offered Bundy for his loss of grazing rights that up to that point he happily complied with?
    Once again, eminent domain does not apply. The government is not trying to buy the land. It already owns the land.

    and what could closing a conservation center near Las Vegas possibly have to do with Bundy and his claim to public land in Eastern Nevada?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Eminent domain gives the government the right to acquire property needed for public projects by paying the fair market value of it. It does not give the government ownership of all or indeed of any property that they did not buy. It may be a thorn in some people's sides, but without it highways would simply not be built. One landowner could stall any project forever by simply refusing to sell.
    If people can not refuse the sale of their property and must accept any offer provided to them by the government, then yes, the government does own all the property of the country. If you remember correctly it was the Supreme Court that put the condition of fair market value on eminent domain transactions, but according to the Constitution no such condition exists. It also hardly matters to me if the government can't do what it desires to do since their desires do certain things does not trump the peoples rights.

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