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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Only AFTER he stopped paying:
    Bundy has repeatedly been fined for grazing his cattle on the protected land, fines he has not paid since 1993. The Bureau of Land Management, which oversees about 800 grazing areas in Nevada, responded by revoking his permit. Bundy has not applied for a new one. Let me ask you this, what was he being fined for, if he had a permit to graze?
    Why would they still accept payment, if he had already been told to remove his cattle.
    This will end in court, but there are access rights issues here.
    Now it is cattle and grazing land, but it could just as easily be trucks and interstates.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Bundy has repeatedly been fined for grazing his cattle on the protected land, fines he has not paid since 1993. The Bureau of Land Management, which oversees about 800 grazing areas in Nevada, responded by revoking his permit. Bundy has not applied for a new one.
    Let me ask you this, what was he being fined for, if he had a permit to graze?
    Why would they still accept payment, if he had already been told to remove his cattle.
    This will end in court, but there are access rights issues here.
    Now it is cattle and grazing land, but it could just as easily be trucks and interstates.
    This already ended in court more than once...he lost.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    This already ended in court more than once...he lost.
    There are clearly some unresolved issues.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    The Government was buying up all of the permits for that section, no further grazing.
    He refused to sell his back, as it would end his ranch.
    I think this is a new area of the law, paid public access of government property.
    By revoking his permit, they reduced the value of his his small ranch,
    and destroyed his livelihood.
    Again,his permit was revoked AFTER he stopped paying. HE reduced the value of his ranch and destroyed his livelihood by not paying.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    There are clearly some unresolved issues.
    Which now cannot be resolved in his favor in court, entirely due to his own actions.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Which now cannot be resolved in his favor in court, entirely due to his own actions.
    Yep and he now has a suit against the federal government for the destruction of private property.
    along with the loss of live stock.

    when you add in emotional distress that the fed's caused it could come out in a wash.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Again,his permit was revoked AFTER he stopped paying. HE reduced the value of his ranch and destroyed his livelihood by not paying.
    I think you are splitting hairs, They told him to remove his cattle, and were buying up permits.
    Telling him to remove his cattle is in effect cancelling his permit.
    If his permit was good, why would they tell him to remove his cattle?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Yep and he now has a suit against the federal government for the destruction of private property.
    along with the loss of live stock.

    when you add in emotional distress that the fed's caused it could come out in a wash.
    Nope, the feds have a legitimate lien on his cattle and his land. He's got no legs to stand upon here. As long as both cattle and property value aren't over the 1.1 million he owes, it's the government's property now.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I think you are splitting hairs, They told him to remove his cattle, and were buying up permits.
    Telling him to remove his cattle is in effect cancelling his permit.
    If his permit was good, why would they tell him to remove his cattle?
    THAT is what he could have taken to court and won. As long as the government is cashing the checks for fees made in a timely manner, they are law bound to allow him grazing. Remember what I said about an escrow account. Same thing as if you have a beef with a utility company - you do NOT get to just shine on the bill. You must pay to an escrow account until the court has the time to hear your case. Otherwise it'll always go against you in court.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nope, the feds have a legitimate lien on his cattle and his land. He's got no legs to stand upon here. As long as both cattle and property value aren't over the 1.1 million he owes, it's the government's property now.
    And how does one collect on a lien in Nevada?
    The process is not that the government can just send in people to take their cattle - there's a legal process involved.

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