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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, I have to admit I heard him being interviewed on that, and he said, that he didn't recognize the US government, and I had to say to myself "What the...?"
    I'm finding it harder to recognize it these days too.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Yet those same people did fight in the American Revolution and won. By the use of their guns and lives they were behind the US Constitution, a majority by a huge proportion. those that did not want America went home or died.
    Only about 40% of the people supported independence from England. If you claim was factual that would mean that 60% of the population either died or went to England. What do you think the likelihood of that is? They also didn't put their lives behind the Constitution since it didn't exist until some years after the war.

    So then it sounds like you went to public schools. So which version did you memorize? I am not thinking that it was any version that actually exists, if your take was what you just said. Or your interpretation is a outright lie. I am going with the latter.
    I interpreted it correctly.

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    What he just said is because people died to put this country in place, the people that followed them have no right to destroy it. That the government that they put in place shall exist forever no matter what.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, I have to admit I heard him being interviewed on that, and he said, that he didn't recognize the US government, and I had to say to myself "What the...?"
    That does bring up the question if this guy's argument is rationally sound.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, if he were paying his fees like he was before 1993, then he would...Largely because he paid for the right to have his cattle there...Today? this is in dispute due to an over bearing government agency that just used the endangered species act to arbitrary raise those fees, probably backed by the National Vegan society to put him out of business.
    Ah. If he'd been paying his fees, then there would never have been a problem, right?

    And are those fees really too high? Are they really? You have to prove that before you can show that he was right in refusing to pay those fees. Besides, if something costs too much, does that give one the right to take it anyway?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    That does bring up the question if this guy's argument is rationally sound.
    I think overall, it may be beyond him...
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Ah. If he'd been paying his fees, then there would never have been a problem, right?

    And are those fees really too high? Are they really? You have to prove that before you can show that he was right in refusing to pay those fees. Besides, if something costs too much, does that give one the right to take it anyway?
    I agree with most of what you are proposing here, except that I posted earlier how this came to be...I think his argument was in the governments authority to impose the fees in the first place...But, his recourse would have been to pay up front, then lobby to change the law.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    As I understand it, before 1993 the fees were paid to the state of Nevada, after that, the feds came in with some BS about this turtle, and just started demanding a fee.
    Then you understand wrong, see Taylor Grazing Act of 1934 and the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978. All grazing fees have been federal since at least 1978 including Clark County NV. That means that without legal protest The Bundy Ranch paid the federal fees for 16 years affirming their approval.

    And poetically see what President Ronald Reagan did in 1986

    Executive Order 12548 -- Grazing Fees

    "Executive Order 12548 -- Grazing Fees
    February 14, 1986


    By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, and in order to provide for establishment of appropriate fees for the grazing of domestic livestock on public rangelands, it is ordered as follows:"

    "Forage Value Index'' the forage on that public land in Clark COunty Nevada has a indexable value that is owned by the people of the United States of America. The Bundy Ranch is stealing "Forage Value Index'' on a dialy bases since 1994, the assholes need to pay or get the **** out.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Then you understand wrong, see Taylor Grazing Act of 1934 and the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978. All grazing fees have been federal since at least 1978 including Clark County NV. That means that without legal protest The Bundy Ranch paid the federal fees for 16 years affirming their approval.

    And poetically see what President Ronald Reagan did in 1986

    Executive Order 12548 -- Grazing Fees

    "Executive Order 12548 -- Grazing Fees
    February 14, 1986


    By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, and in order to provide for establishment of appropriate fees for the grazing of domestic livestock on public rangelands, it is ordered as follows:"

    "Forage Value Index'' the forage on that public land in Clark COunty Nevada has a indexable value that is owned by the people of the United States of America. The Bundy Ranch is stealing "Forage Value Index'' on a dialy bases since 1994, the assholes need to pay or get the **** out.
    Not Reagan!!! Well then, he is a RINO!

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Where are you getting this?

    EDIT: Here is the reason the OP gave for his refusal to pay fees:
    Some of it is inferred from the quote in the article at the beginning of this thread from the BLM.
    “For more than two decades, cattle have been grazed illegally on public lands in northeast Clark County,” the BLM said in a statement. “BLM and (the National Park Service) have made repeated attempts to resolve this matter administratively and judicially. Impoundment of cattle illegally grazing on public lands is an option of last resort.”
    Since we know He was using the land and paying the fees before then, and two decades ago
    the illegal grazing started. I think they stopped issuing grazing permits.
    The price per AUM has been the same since 1986, so it was not a price increase.
    FYI the AUM price is $1.35 per month per cow, so about $324,000 for 20 years.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Then you understand wrong, see Taylor Grazing Act of 1934 and the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978. All grazing fees have been federal since at least 1978 including Clark County NV. That means that without legal protest The Bundy Ranch paid the federal fees for 16 years affirming their approval.

    And poetically see what President Ronald Reagan did in 1986

    Executive Order 12548 -- Grazing Fees

    "Executive Order 12548 -- Grazing Fees
    February 14, 1986


    By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, and in order to provide for establishment of appropriate fees for the grazing of domestic livestock on public rangelands, it is ordered as follows:"

    "Forage Value Index'' the forage on that public land in Clark COunty Nevada has a indexable value that is owned by the people of the United States of America. The Bundy Ranch is stealing "Forage Value Index'' on a dialy bases since 1994, the assholes need to pay or get the **** out.
    You are assuming the Government would accept the money.
    It sounds like the BLM did not renew the permits to graze.

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