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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    As I understand it, before 1993 the fees were paid to the state of Nevada, after that, the feds came in with some BS about this turtle, and just started demanding a fee.
    Ahhh the turtle.... it always does seem to come back around to that turtle nonsense doesn't it?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    As I understand it, before 1993 the fees were paid to the state of Nevada, after that, the feds came in with some BS about this turtle, and just started demanding a fee.
    Nevada was probably acting as a intermediary for the federal government.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You mean besides the fact that it is a lie? The people didn't do anything to establish the Union or to establish the Constitution. They didn't even consent to any of it, and hell, the majority of the people didn't even want to fight england.
    Yet those same people did fight in the American Revolution and won. By the use of their guns and lives they were behind the US Constitution, a majority by a huge proportion. those that did not want America went home or died.

    I had to memorize the Gettysburg Address as a kid, so yeah, I'm aware of it. His statement is saying that people have no right to eliminate government. Not exactly something you should champion.
    So then it sounds like you went to public schools. So which version did you memorize? I am not thinking that it was any version that actually exists, if your take was what you just said. Or your interpretation is a outright lie. I am going with the latter.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Ahhh the turtle.... it always does seem to come back around to that turtle nonsense doesn't it?
    Yep, because that is the false flag they hide behind.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    As I understand it, before 1993 the fees were paid to the state of Nevada, after that, the feds came in with some BS about this turtle, and just started demanding a fee.
    I do not know who he paid fees to before, but after 1993, the Government did not
    grant him a new permit to graze , (and also did not accept payment.)

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I imagine my comment applies to many of those individuals.
    So that would mean the 9/11 first responders, many of whom perished in the twin towers trying to save fellow Americans, are in your opinion "thugs"? Please clarify.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Nevada was probably acting as a intermediary for the federal government.
    Maybe, I don't know...Although I concede that Bundy is wrong for not paying his fees, the government is wrong for sending in heavily armed people to try and intimidate him into it...
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Maybe, I don't know...Although I concede that Bundy is wrong for not paying his fees, the government is wrong for sending in heavily armed people to try and intimidate him into it...
    Is he wrong for believing he can violate the law because he does believe the United States government exists?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I do not know who he paid fees to before, but after 1993, the Government did not
    grant him a new permit to graze , (and also did not accept payment.)
    Where are you getting this?

    EDIT: Here is the reason the OP gave for his refusal to pay fees:

    The trouble started when Bundy stopped paying grazing fees in 1993. He said he didn't have to because his Mormon ancestors worked the land since the 1880s, giving him rights to the land.

    “We own this land,” he said, not the feds. He said he is willing to pay grazing fees but only to Clark County, not BLM.
    Last edited by clownboy; 04-16-14 at 03:13 PM.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Is he wrong for believing he can violate the law because he does believe the United States government exists?
    Yeah, I have to admit I heard him being interviewed on that, and he said, that he didn't recognize the US government, and I had to say to myself "What the...?"
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