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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    C'mon, guy - answer the question. Let's say I move right next to that same plot of federal land. Who's got more right to say what goes on on that land - the rancher who wants to let his cattle crap all over what he says is his federal land, or myself, who tells him that no, he can't let his cattle crap all over I say is my federal land.

    How do we decide who is 'more' right?
    Well, if he were paying his fees like he was before 1993, then he would...Largely because he paid for the right to have his cattle there...Today? this is in dispute due to an over bearing government agency that just used the endangered species act to arbitrary raise those fees, probably backed by the National Vegan society to put him out of business.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    My mother was a cop and I find it insulting that you consider people who put their lives at risk enforcing the law as thugs.
    I have no problem with you considering my comment insulting. I stand by my comment that police work is largely thuggery and the vast majority of those in the police force are thugs.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, if he were paying his fees like he was before 1993, then he would...Largely because he paid for the right to have his cattle there...Today? this is in dispute due to an over bearing government agency that just used the endangered species act to arbitrary raise those fees, probably backed by the National Vegan society to put him out of business.
    If he paid his fees before 1993 he recoginised the legitimacy of the fee, so what changed?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Next time just post the correct link instead of pointing back towards another DP thread.


    So let's talk about the substance of that link. Was a militia member or group identified as the perpetrators of the bombing in either case? No. Was ANYONE at ALL identified as the perpetrators in the bombing. No.

    So when you stated this:



    It was was bull**** that you made up. Your posts have a lot of "exigent creativity" in them don't they.
    You're another conservative or whatever that's lost this debate. After the rant about brown shirts.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I have no problem with you considering my comment insulting if you want. I stand by my comment that police work is largely thuggery and the vast majority of those in the police force are thugs.
    Dos that accusation Include the 9/11 first responders?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, if he were paying his fees like he was before 1993, then he would...Largely because he paid for the right to have his cattle there...Today? this is in dispute due to an over bearing government agency that just used the endangered species act to arbitrary raise those fees, probably backed by the National Vegan society to put him out of business.
    And out come the tin foil hats folks.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, if he were paying his fees like he was before 1993, then he would...Largely because he paid for the right to have his cattle there...Today? this is in dispute due to an over bearing government agency that just used the endangered species act to arbitrary raise those fees, probably backed by the National Vegan society to put him out of business.
    Actually, he stopped paying those fees five years BEFORE there was any raise in fees and the endangered species act was invoked. Again, he might have been grandfathered in under the act enforcement, if his payments had been at all current. He's screwed his own pooch on this one and now he's using the wounded bird defense.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    You're another conservative or whatever that's lost this debate. After the rant about brown shirts.
    You made a claim, and the link fails to provide facts about that claim. Therefore you made it up.

    Way to go big and fail!
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

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    Dos that accusation Include the 9/11 first responders?
    I imagine my comment applies to many of those individuals.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    If he paid his fees before 1993 he recoginised the legitimacy of the fee, so what changed?
    As I understand it, before 1993 the fees were paid to the state of Nevada, after that, the feds came in with some BS about this turtle, and just started demanding a fee.
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