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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    You know those SWAT teams which bust into people's homes with No-Knock raids, shoot and kill people and then realize that they made a mistake, well they're Americans too. You remember those LA cops shooting 78 rounds at a newspaper delivery woman and her mom during the Dorner manhunt? Why did they shoot? Why was the life of a Police Captain worth so much more than the lives of two old women? Those cops were all Americans too. They placed allegiance to fellow officers and superiors above allegiance to their oath.

    There is a problem here and it's that many citizens now believe that Federal employees grant greater allegiance to the Federal Government, their bosses, their coworkers and their paychecks than they place do the nation and its citizens. We've all seen the statistics about how DC is pretty much recession proof - the government keeps growing, its employees continue to do well for themselves, and the rest of the nation suffers. How many employees are going to jump off that gravy train. How many employees are going to abide by Nuremberg Rules, that illegal orders do not have to be followed when they stand to lose their job, their pension, their good name. We see what happens with NSA whistleblowers from the pre-Snowden era.

    What went down in Nevada is serious stuff, not because a bunch of yahoos took up a cause, but because a bunch of people have had enough of how powerful and unjust and unaccountable the Federal Government has become and this case was, to them, a good enough symbol of all that is wrong and how they don't trust DC to be working in the interests of the people. This is cut from the same cloth as the OWS protests but instead of focusing on Big Business, this is focused on Government.

    These kinds of events are going to increase in the coming years because we're no longer a nation bound together, to each other. These protesters didn't see the Feds as part of them, they saw the Feds as overlords, as foreign rulers. And as for the agents being Americans, look through history and look at the people who were the blunt hammer of the oppressors, it's always people drawn from the population. Who do you think will be the oppressors of Americans, the Guatemalans?
    Nice rant but the problem is that Cliven bundy chose to not pay grazing fees and now has two court orders to enforce the removal of his cattle from the allotments that he did not pay for. He made his bed and now he has to lay in it. But really he isnt doing all of this because he wants to graze animals on public land lets be honest he is trying to make a political statement at the expense of our tax dollars. This is no different than the occupiers taunting the police then crying about how the police tazed them.

    In all reality the BLM has been very tame in everything that they have done.

    Yes there are bad cops, yes there are bad federal employees, but a big ****ing conspiracy it isnt.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So you stand with government oppression....I am shocked....I think this is a better song...



    And yes....Turn it up....
    Oh yes, we Americans are so oppressed by our Gubbermint.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Oh yes, we Americans are so oppressed by our Gubbermint.
    I see....It's only oppression, if YOU say it is eh? Nah, your feeble attempt to mock opposition to your opinion is dismissed.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Oh yes, we Americans are so oppressed by our Gubbermint.
    You never read any of the laws of this country have you?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I see....It's only oppression, if YOU say it is eh? Nah, your feeble attempt to mock opposition to your opinion is dismissed.
    Typical hard right wing response, by putting words in other people's mouths. You lost the debate already.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Sorry, but to conclude that "we" are the government is entirely wrong. "We" are not the government; the government is not "us." The government is the systematic predatory process over a given territorial area by political means. You're bitching about men and women standing up to an organization that more than likely they never consented to be part of, and clearly does not in any accurate sense represent them. If the government really was "us" it would represent all the people, but it's not even accurate to say it represents the majority of the people. Feel free to argue against what I just said if it makes you feel better, but I assure you what you learned in public school about how the government is "us" won't help you here.
    I am not bitching about anything, you are and so are the Bundy's. And dude your insults about public school education is a sad ****ing ploy.

    And no I didnt get my notions from anywhere except the US Constitution, perhaps you should read it sometime?

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


    And you might want to read the Gettysburg Address sometime as well, but you probably hate Lincoln huh?

    "government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You never read any of the laws of this country have you?
    Laws that oppress Americans? not lately. But, if you want to go back in time to when white men rounded up Native Americans, stole their land, and placed them on reservations, we can go there if you wish, but it would be derailing the thread.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Typical hard right wing response, by putting words in other people's mouths. You lost the debate already.
    When were you debating anything? You are just a bomb thrower....I do have fun though, batting you around like a cat with a mouse.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Laws that oppress Americans? not lately. But, if you want to go back in time to when white men rounded up Native Americans, stole their land, and placed them on reservations, we can go there if you wish, but it would be derailing the thread.
    How about when FDR rounded up the Japanese Americans and put them in internment camps. You don't need to go back to the Native Americans.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    No need, and no point. The govt will just rule in its own favor and we've come too far to correct all the wrong done in the name of the common good.
    So then what are you doing? Are you just going to continue bitching about it in a political debate forum or what?

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