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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Follow your own advice.

    The reality is there's a fee that should be paid and a schedule to be followed. Bundy did not pay that fee for 20 years. Reality is, he's a thief. You're supporting a common criminal.
    Bundy should pay his fees, I agree....But at this point, they are just throwing out wild numbers like a million dollars, when the actual arrears are more like $300K...both sides of this are being just a little disingenuous...But, I will say that the ESA that started this whole mess, is probably the most Unconstitutional way for the government to just grab land, and control people that has ever been devised.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, there is also the issue of the desert tortoise, so the land isn't being controlled by fees only.

    The elected representatives of the people who own this land that Bundy wants to call "his", which really isn't and never was his passed the endangered species act. Now, you can disagree with that act, or with the way the courts have interpreted that act all you want, but it is a law that was made through the democratic process. Until it is repealed, it stands as one of the ways in which the use public land is controlled.

    along with fees, which Bundy has not paid.

    and yes, the law if eminent domain raises some hackles from time to time as well, but that, too is a law passed by democratic processes. Should it be repealed, then there will be no new roads, railroads, irrigation projects, or a whole lot of things that could be blocked by one property owner who refuses to sell.

    But eminent domain does not apply here as the land in question does not belong to Bundy anyway.
    The turtle issue is a dead one....The conservation center plans to kill the tortoise....In a HuffPo article outing this fact, I think I may have found were the BLM comes up with their ridiculous $1 million claim:

    "The Bureau of Land Management has paid for the holding and research facility with fees imposed on developers who disturb tortoise habitat on public land. As the housing boom swept through southern Nevada in the 2000s, the tortoise budget swelled. But when the recession hit, the housing market contracted, and the bureau and its local government partners began struggling to meet the center's $1 million annual budget."

    Desert Tortoise Faces Threat From Conservation Center

    This may be as simple as a good old fashioned shakedown...

    And yes there are legitimate purposes for eminent domain, as laid out in the constitution as well. So, tell me Ditto, is there a road going through there? A hospital being proposed? A school? No....Also under eminent domain those being harmed by the grab are supposed to be compensated....What was offered Bundy for his loss of grazing rights that up to that point he happily complied with?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No....Also under eminent domain those being harmed by the grab are supposed to be compensated....
    Being compensated for the property transfer really doesn't mean **** when you can't say no.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Being compensated for the property transfer really doesn't mean **** when you can't say no.
    To be fair the property in question was never his, so compensation on that level is out, but up to 1993 when the BLM decided that they just had to protect a desert turtle, just declared it all of the sudden off limits, unless ranchers like Bundy paid fees to them to use it....Now, in the years that passed they were content to collect off the housing industry and construct a preserve near Vegas, but when the housing market crashed, so did their cash cow, pun intended, so now they ramp up the war on ranchers like Bundy....

    It reminds me of watching Good Fella's.....
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    To be fair the property in question was never his, so compensation on that level is out, but up to 1993 when the BLM decided that they just had to protect a desert turtle, just declared it all of the sudden off limits, unless ranchers like Bundy paid fees to them to use it....Now, in the years that passed they were content to collect off the housing industry and construct a preserve near Vegas, but when the housing market crashed, so did their cash cow, pun intended, so now they ramp up the war on ranchers like Bundy....

    It reminds me of watching Good Fella's.....
    because the characters in Good Fella's were turtle lovers who made money by charging people to use their property
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    To be fair the property in question was never his, so compensation on that level is out, but up to 1993 when the BLM decided that they just had to protect a desert turtle, just declared it all of the sudden off limits, unless ranchers like Bundy paid fees to them to use it....Now, in the years that passed they were content to collect off the housing industry and construct a preserve near Vegas, but when the housing market crashed, so did their cash cow, pun intended, so now they ramp up the war on ranchers like Bundy....

    It reminds me of watching Good Fella's.....
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    because the characters in Good Fella's were turtle lovers who made money by charging people to use their property
    Wow, I guess everything must be literal with you...sorry you misunderstood.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    because the characters in Good Fella's were turtle lovers who made money by charging people to use their property
    What makes you think the government actually cares about the turtles?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    I believe jackass (see photo) will need an attorney, maybe sooner, maybe later, but he will need one.

    cliven_bundy_getty_328.jpg

    And when the marshals come to pick him up, I hope they have this song on a cd and play it all the way to his holding cell.


    Bobby Fuller Four - I Fought The Law ( And The Law Won) Lyrics - YouTube

    It's okay to turn it up.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I believe jackass (see photo) will need an attorney, maybe sooner, maybe later, but he will need one.

    cliven_bundy_getty_328.jpg

    And when the marshals come to pick him up, I hope they have this song on a cd and play it all the way to his holding cell.


    Bobby Fuller Four - I Fought The Law ( And The Law Won) Lyrics - YouTube

    It's okay to turn it up.
    So you stand with government oppression....I am shocked....I think this is a better song...



    And yes....Turn it up....
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