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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    If the land is not privately owned it should be free to use by anyone who wants to.

    How would you handle if someone objects to what another is doing on the non private land? Your stance seems that anyone should have a free hand on non private land. So how would conflicting uses be handled?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Who cares where they graze their animals? I don't.

    If it isn't my property I can't even begin to imagine why I would care.
    Just admit that you are committed to the ideology of anarchy Henrin.
    You will feel better about yourself.
    What in the following definition would you not like to see? 

    an·ar·chy [an-er-kee]
    noun
    1.
    a state of society without government or law.
    2.
    political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control: Synonyms: lawlessness, disruption, turmoil.
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    anarchism ( def 1 ) .
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    lack of obedience to an authority; insubordination
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    confusion and disorder. Synonyms: chaos, disruption, turbulence; license; disorganization, disintegration.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Ok ...Let's play your silly game.
    Let's say everyone else wants to use the land for cattle grazing ... but I want to grow cranberries. F**k em!
    I should be free to divert a river dig out all the bog ditches and flood the land right? If it's free land and I have the liberty and the means, I should be able to do that on public land, right?
    No, I want to grow papayas, and I have 5000 angry white trash goobers with guns!!! I win..anarchy.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Roads are obviously so complicated only government can build them. Wait...they don't build them now. All they really do is tax people to pay the people that actually build them. Hmm..

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Roads are obviously so complicated only government can build them. Wait...they don't build them now. All they really do is tax people to pay the people that actually build them. Hmm..
    Yes, they do. Get on an interstate, or a freeway or a highway.

    You want to freeload, in your utopia, nothing will ever be built.

    Move. Seriously, leave my country, you have no future here, and you won't be happy.

    Go build a libertarian utopia.

    Elsewhere.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Yes, they do. Get on an interstate, or a freeway or a highway.

    You want to freeload, in your utopia, nothing will ever be built.

    Move. Seriously, leave my country, you have no future here, and you won't be happy.

    Go build a libertarian utopia.

    Elsewhere.
    No, all they did was tax people and then use that money they most likely stole to pay those that actually did build the roads.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Who told you the people and the government are the same group? Did you learn that in public school perhaps?
    oh dear do I really need to explain basic Americanism to you?

    The Government is entirely staffed by Americans. Those public servants work for us Americans. The BLM isnt staffed by a mysterious Government population, its staffed by ordinary Americans no differently than the military the US border Patrol etc. Those ****ed up militia asses were threatening to shoot ordinary working Americans.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    If the land is not privately owned it should be free to use by anyone who wants to.
    Should I be allowed to burn down Olympia National Rainforest because I think it'd look cool?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    oh dear do I really need to explain basic Americanism to you?

    The Government is entirely staffed by Americans. Those public servants work for us Americans. The BLM isnt staffed by a mysterious Government population, its staffed by ordinary Americans no differently than the military the US border Patrol etc. Those ****ed up militia asses were threatening to shoot ordinary working Americans.
    You know those SWAT teams which bust into people's homes with No-Knock raids, shoot and kill people and then realize that they made a mistake, well they're Americans too. You remember those LA cops shooting 78 rounds at a newspaper delivery woman and her mom during the Dorner manhunt? Why did they shoot? Why was the life of a Police Captain worth so much more than the lives of two old women? Those cops were all Americans too. They placed allegiance to fellow officers and superiors above allegiance to their oath.

    There is a problem here and it's that many citizens now believe that Federal employees grant greater allegiance to the Federal Government, their bosses, their coworkers and their paychecks than they place do the nation and its citizens. We've all seen the statistics about how DC is pretty much recession proof - the government keeps growing, its employees continue to do well for themselves, and the rest of the nation suffers. How many employees are going to jump off that gravy train. How many employees are going to abide by Nuremberg Rules, that illegal orders do not have to be followed when they stand to lose their job, their pension, their good name. We see what happens with NSA whistleblowers from the pre-Snowden era.

    What went down in Nevada is serious stuff, not because a bunch of yahoos took up a cause, but because a bunch of people have had enough of how powerful and unjust and unaccountable the Federal Government has become and this case was, to them, a good enough symbol of all that is wrong and how they don't trust DC to be working in the interests of the people. This is cut from the same cloth as the OWS protests but instead of focusing on Big Business, this is focused on Government.

    These kinds of events are going to increase in the coming years because we're no longer a nation bound together, to each other. These protesters didn't see the Feds as part of them, they saw the Feds as overlords, as foreign rulers. And as for the agents being Americans, look through history and look at the people who were the blunt hammer of the oppressors, it's always people drawn from the population. Who do you think will be the oppressors of Americans, the Guatemalans?

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