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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The Kent State students didn't dredge up a bunch of militia hicks to threaten federal officials. I'm not sure to what Black Panthers incident you're referring.
    They all stood in defiance of the govt, some armed, some not. The BLM's action were oppressive and unnecessary. I applaud those Americans who stood up against that. Even if Bundy is in the wrong for not paying the fees, the BLM's response was unnecessarily aggressive.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    False dichotomy, set up by you in this thread....Get a mirror, then get a clue.
    Wrong, D-minus, see me after class.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What? YOU JUST MOCKED conservatives for "I also love how the right wing has been pushing this meme that ranchers like Bundy are real salt-of-the-earth, rugged, independent people who don't ask for anything from the government. From the ridiculously low grazing fees to agricultural exemptions that lower their property taxes significantly, to all sorts of handouts in case of emergencies (drought relief, low-interest loans, emergency cattle feed programs), to federally placed and maintained fencing, cattle ranching is one big fat welfare system."

    Now you want to play like you didn't say that? Talk about dishonest....(mirror time)
    Um, that's not what I was saying at all. Learn to read.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    They all stood in defiance of the govt, some armed, some not. The BLM's action were oppressive and unnecessary. I applaud those Americans who stood up against that. Even if Bundy is in the wrong for not paying the fees, the BLM's response was unnecessarily aggressive.
    There is a world of difference between "standing in defiance of the government" and openly threatening federal employees.

    The Kent State students were armed?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    They all stood in defiance of the govt, some armed, some not. The BLM's action were oppressive and unnecessary. I applaud those Americans who stood up against that. Even if Bundy is in the wrong for not paying the fees, the BLM's response was unnecessarily aggressive.
    You do realize his cattle were on government lands when they were seized, right? So, he was in the process of committing a crime knowingly, and they wanted to stop him. As they should.

    I still don't get why people are defending this asshat...
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

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    Wrong, D-minus, see me after class.



    Um, that's not what I saw saying at all. Learn to read.
    Good God....You must really think people are dumb....You said that conservatives were standing behind the narrative of a guy set up to look like a rugged individual, that relies on government handouts to keep his cattle ranch going....That included what you said was FENCING....I simply point out that was mandated, and you tried to make it seem like that was something you were painting as a "handout"....You're full of it buddy.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    You do realize his cattle were on government lands when they were seized, right? So, he was in the process of committing a crime knowingly, and they wanted to stop him. As they should.

    I still don't get why people are defending this asshat...
    Because he fits their narrative of a tyrannical government trying to control their lives.

    Any excuse to act like some glorious patriot revolutionary.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    There is a world of difference between "standing in defiance of the government" and openly threatening federal employees.
    There is a world of difference between threatening federal employees and responding to threatening federal employees.

    The Kent State students were armed?
    You don't know much about history...or reading comprehension....do you?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    You do realize his cattle were on government lands when they were seized, right? So, he was in the process of committing a crime knowingly, and they wanted to stop him. As they should.
    He was not ordered, to my knowledge, to cease grazing, and the cattle were not being siezed for violating such an order. The cattle were being seized for back debt. There is a difference, he was not committing a crime.

    I still don't get why people are defending this asshat...
    Because he stood up to an overzealous BLM.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

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    Because he fits their narrative of a tyrannical government trying to control their lives.

    Any excuse to act like some glorious patriot revolutionary.
    like the weathermen underground?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Good God....You must really think people are dumb....You said that conservatives were standing behind the narrative of a guy set up to look like a rugged individual, that relies on government handouts to keep his cattle ranch going....That included what you said was FENCING....I simply point out that was mandated, and you tried to make it seem like that was something you were painting as a "handout"....You're full of it buddy.
    What I meant was that the federal government maintains more than just fence around federal lands. Now, I don't know if you realize this, but fences have two sides. If private land abuts federal land, guess who maintains the fence? Comes in kind of happy when the guy with private land has livestock that would cost him a lot of money if it wandered off.

    But really, if all you can do is hinge on the fencing issue as if it debunks my entire argument, then you've really got nothing.
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