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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    So is having a bunch of goobers showing up with guns wanting to kill BLM agents.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    The cowards are the agents who would be willing to shoot women. Hence the strategy.
    Silly, it's only a good tactic when Palestinians, or Arabs in Iraq do it and US soldiers can be demonized...
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    The cowards are the agents who would be willing to shoot women. Hence the strategy.
    The cowards are the militia bumpkins hiding behind human shields in order to defend some "sovereign citizen" jerkoff who thinks he can graze on public land without paying grazing fees. And while you guys may sympathize with the rancher, legally, he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

    I also love how the right wing has been pushing this meme that ranchers like Bundy are real salt-of-the-earth, rugged, independent people who don't ask for anything from the government. From the ridiculously low grazing fees to agricultural exemptions that lower their property taxes significantly, to all sorts of handouts in case of emergencies (drought relief, low-interest loans, emergency cattle feed programs), to federally placed and maintained fencing, cattle ranching is one big fat welfare system.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The cowards are the militia bumpkins hiding behind human shields in order to defend some "sovereign citizen" jerkoff who thinks he can graze on public land without paying grazing fees. And while you guys may sympathize with the rancher, legally, he doesn't have a leg to stand on.
    First, no one hid behind human shileds, Second, the shields elected to be shields as fully involved participants.

    I also love how the right wing has been pushing this meme that ranchers like Bundy are real salt-of-the-earth, rugged, independent people who don't ask for anything from the government. From the ridiculously low grazing fees to agricultural exemptions that lower their property taxes significantly, to all sorts of handouts in case of emergencies (drought relief, low-interest loans, emergency cattle feed programs), to federally placed and maintained fencing, cattle ranching is one big fat welfare system.
    Ah, so it would be more...honorable...to sit on your couch, smoke some weed and collect food stamps?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    First, no one hid behind human shileds, Second, the shields elected to be shields as fully involved participants.
    Then they're morons.

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    Ah, so it would be more...honorable...to sit on your couch, smoke some weed and collect food stamps?
    Which, of course, nobody said or even implied, but kudos for bringing up more irrelevant bull****.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Then they're morons.
    Like the Black Panthers, Kent State Students...etc...those morons?

    Which, of course, nobody said or even implied, but kudos for bringing up more irrelevant bull****.
    I respond in kind.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    "sovereign citizen" jerkoff
    How dare we don't all bow to big authoritarian government masters...

    to federally placed and maintained fencing
    I believe that the federal government is mandated to maintain the fencing around the land they claim to own....
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Like the Black Panthers, Kent State Students...etc...those morons?
    The Kent State students didn't dredge up a bunch of militia hicks to threaten federal officials. I'm not sure to what Black Panthers incident you're referring.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How dare we don't all bow to big authoritarian government masters...
    Yes, because clearly the only alternative to the "sovereign citizen" movement is "bowing to big authoritarian government masters." Could you be more shamelessly dishonest?

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    I believe that the federal government is mandated to maintain the fencing around the land they claim to own....
    And they maintain a lot more than that.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Yes, because clearly the only alternative to the "sovereign citizen" movement is "bowing to big authoritarian government masters." Could you be more shamelessly dishonest?
    False dichotomy, set up by you in this thread....Get a mirror, then get a clue.

    And they maintain a lot more than that.
    What? YOU JUST MOCKED conservatives for "I also love how the right wing has been pushing this meme that ranchers like Bundy are real salt-of-the-earth, rugged, independent people who don't ask for anything from the government. From the ridiculously low grazing fees to agricultural exemptions that lower their property taxes significantly, to all sorts of handouts in case of emergencies (drought relief, low-interest loans, emergency cattle feed programs), to federally placed and maintained fencing, cattle ranching is one big fat welfare system."

    Now you want to play like you didn't say that? Talk about dishonest....(mirror time)
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