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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Not the same. We have a government, we have rules, we have courts. You want anarchy? Move to Somalia.
    Which is where BLM should be pursuing their claim, the courts, not with an armed seizure of private property.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That's incorrect. Bundy did not seek out confrontation, the Feds came on his land not the other way around.'

    I agree that Bundy has to work out, without armed brown shirts surrounding his home, the legal issues between him and the BLM. Unlike others on this forum who wanted to see these people all shot without judicial process because they were "stealing" grass for their cattle (not the turtles which was a lie from the start).

    The feds did not come onto "Bundy's land" - kind of the point of the whole shebang, the cows were not on his privately-owned land, they were wandering around on federally-owned lands
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That's incorrect. Bundy did not seek out confrontation, the Feds came on his land not the other way around.'

    I agree that Bundy has to work out, without armed brown shirts surrounding his home, the legal issues between him and the BLM. Unlike others on this forum who wanted to see these people all shot without judicial process because they were "stealing" grass for their cattle (not the turtles which was a lie from the start).
    He's had twenty years to do that.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The feds did not come onto "Bundy's land" - kind of the point of the whole shebang, the cows were not on his privately-owned land, they were wandering around on federally-owned lands
    you keep confusing them with the facts
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You and others may think it is fair simply because the writer admits that Bundy is legally wrong, however the justifications as to why "You Should Be Sympathetic Toward Cliven Bundy" are simply fallacious.
    In most parts of Nevada good grazing land is scarce then when the government comes in and starts charging for that land use while substantially limiting the rancher's ability to use that land effectively they are, in essence, putting that rancher out of business. In this case they seem to be putting a political motive before the practical motives.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    It's rather odd that Al Sharpton can owe the feds $2.6 million for years, have meetings with Obama, and continue to roll without the nuisance of armed federal officers confronting his failure to pay while this guy, Bundy, gets the full treatment. Odd.
    Since two wrongs make a right, you do have a good point there.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    In most parts of Nevada good grazing land is scarce then when the government comes in and starts charging for that land use while substantially limiting the rancher's ability to use that land effectively they are, in essence, putting that rancher out of business. In this case they seem to be putting a political motive before the practical motives.
    What "political motive" would that be?

    As others have noted the Nevada Cattlemen's Assn is not supporting Mr Bundy and it is extremely likely that Mr Bundy has received some government subsidies during the same years he has refused to pay land use fees.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Which is where BLM should be pursuing their claim, the courts, not with an armed seizure of private property.
    They did, they won, more than once in court. This has been going on for years, time for Bundy to pay up, or lose his assets.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Sorry, amigo, but the facts of the case simply don't bear out for this guy.
    In this part I actually think you are on to something...He should have been paying he fees. Because he wants to make a stand against an over burdensome, and out of control federal government, I don't think that withholding fees is the way to do it...But with that said, you have to admit, that an armed to the teeth BLM (what the hell is that anyway?) pointing heavy weapons, and posting snipers against largely unarmed citizens, is not exactly the poster for a liberal President, and demo party that keeps proclaiming that they are one with the "little guy"....

    So many questions, and nothing but support of a tyrannical fed under this administration.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    They did, they won, more than once in court. This has been going on for years, time for Bundy to pay up, or lose his assets.
    All they have to do is garnish his earnings, or his kids inheritance. Seizure at gunpoint is rediculous.
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