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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Yawn...

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    Do cows eat tortoises or am I missing something? Think of this like foodstamps for destitute cattle.
    Possibly

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    The state is taking issue with the feds owning the land which I believe in that particular case was taken by the feds from the state. The fight with the rancher seems just to be the vehicle the state is using.
    Not to derail..
    Some States have taken issue with the Feds owning the land.
    Until the courts rule and the State takes ownership.. it is still federal land.
    So Federal regs apply.

    Are you ok for the rancher grazing his cattle without paying any fees (the issue is not who gets the grazing fees, State or Fed). the rancher has had a free ride for five years.
    Not fair to the State or Federal tax payers.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Actually that's the state of Nevada's land and they are backing the rancher.
    Then up to the Nevadans....and it doenst make the state right or having the public's or land's best interests in mind.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    From the OP"
    "The fight involves a 600,000-acre area under BLM control called Gold Butte, near the Utah border. The vast and rugged land is the habitat of the protected desert tortoise, and the land has been off-limits for cattle since 1998. Five years before that, when grazing was legal, Bundy stopped paying federal fees for the right."

    BLM land is public land. As a taxpayer I object to someone using the land for free for a commerical business. It is not Bundy's ranch/land. It is our land. I have no objection to ranchers paying to graze on public land when the grazing is managed. At times I feel the t&e act is unfair to historical usages of the land.

    that said. I feel the feds need to not over react. The rancher also needs to not over react. Bundy needs to understand that BLM must follow the laws passed by Congress and the land is not his.
    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Not to derail..
    Some States have taken issue with the Feds owning the land.
    Until the courts rule and the State takes ownership.. it is still federal land.
    So Federal regs apply.

    Are you ok for the rancher grazing his cattle without paying any fees (the issue is not who gets the grazing fees, State or Fed). the rancher has had a free ride for five years.
    Not fair to the State or Federal tax payers.

    mike look at the dates you posted. Bundy quit paying grazing fees in 1993, that is TWENTY ONE years he hasn't paid. I'm sure cattle ranchers in Florida and other states would love to have free grazing land for 21 years also but once you get east of the Rockies, ranchers either own the grazing land or they lease it from other private owners. Why should this nut job get a free ride? NOW he says he would pay the state for grazing rights, why hasn't he said that during the past 21 years?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Go look how much of Nevada the federal government controls, then get back to me.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    mike look at the dates you posted. Bundy quit paying grazing fees in 1993, that is TWENTY ONE years he hasn't paid. I'm sure cattle ranchers in Florida and other states would love to have free grazing land for 21 years also but once you get east of the Rockies, ranchers either own the grazing land or they lease it from other private owners. Why should this nut job get a free ride? NOW he says he would pay the state for grazing rights, why hasn't he said that during the past 21 years?
    I went by the news article. Maybe I didn't see the five years correctly.
    Bottom line. His cattle is in tresspass. He has no right to graze. The State of Nevada wish they owned the federal lands, but they don't.

    BLM is within their rights to round up the cattle.

    If you thought I was supporting the rancher, I am not.
    I was pointing out that some of the T&E laws are a bit overboard.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    If Governor Sandoval had any guts at all he'd call up the Nevada national guard and tell the BLM and FBI they have one hour to vacate or will be removed from the State by force.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    If Governor Sandoval had any guts at all he'd call up the Nevada national guard and tell the BLM and FBI they have one hour to vacate or will be removed from the State by force.
    Just before the state of Nevada seceded from the union?

    If it were state lands, why should the citizens of Nevada give this guy a free ride any more than the citizens of the entire country should?
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