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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And if they shot you and everyone there and killed you, that's justified in this case right?
    Maybe, maybe not.

    If I pointed a weapon at them in an attempt to keep them from removing my illegal logging operation, then yes shooting me would be justifed. Likewise, if my friends pointed weapons at them in an effort to protect my illegal logging, then yes, it would be justified to kill them.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Maybe, maybe not.

    If I pointed a weapon at them in an attempt to keep them from removing my illegal logging operation, then yes shooting me would be justifed. Likewise, if my friends pointed weapons at them in an effort to protect my illegal logging, then yes, it would be justified to kill them.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Try again.



    So it's not a parroted lie?
    We keep hearing from members that Bundy's family grazed their cattle there before Nevada statehood and that the federal government bought the land from Nevada. Both are untrue
    Bundy's own words are that his family started to graze their cattle there "in the 1880s.
    I take him at his word and repeated what he claimed.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So you like the jack boots. Good to know.
    Nope, I just know that my actions may have concequences. Commiting a crime and then pointing weapons at the police is just inviting concequences.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So you like the jack boots. Good to know.
    So, you like hyperbole, good to know.

    Personal responsibility, Bundy won't take it, he is a freeloading welfare queen.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    So, you like hyperbole, good to know.

    Personal responsibility, Bundy won't take it, he is a freeloading welfare queen.
    And according to his own claims, he comes from a long line of freeloading welfare queens.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I can think of a lot of reasons. Primarily because cattle is a source of food for people, as well as other resources such as leather, gelatine, pharmaceuticals, etc. Why should a tortoise have more rights than people? Relocate them to similar habitats.
    You can't always relocate a species without impacts to the ecosystem you relocate them to. The vast majority of our cattle are not raised and grazed on desert lands. We are talking about one rancher, not our nation's cattle industry, its one rancher. This one rancher has been quite successful yet refused to pay for the use of a shared resource. Fees that all of his peers pay, yet he doesn't.

    No amount of land management will stop extinctions - it will only slow them down. Ultimately, people are more important than animals - any animal. Until interstellar space can be traversed with ease, animals will continue to lose out to an ever growing human population. That is human nature. While I didn't see you comment on the brown shirt methods used by the government, I can only assume you agree with the methods used - is that correct?
    1. The Nazi brown shirt reference is absurd. If our government was even remotely like that of Nazi Germany: A. There is no way in hell this guy would have been able to ignore the law and refuse to pay grazing fees for 20 years. B. They would have publicly shot him when he refused to comply. Its a stupid comparison you are making and it does nothing for your argument other than make it look loony.

    2. The government backed down, and even though he has ignored the law for 20 years he faces no consequences. I suppose next time I go fishing I will forgo the license and when the government tries to write me a citation I can just refuse to recognize their authority and call in a bunch of anarchist militia types to back me up.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    there are competing interests
    imagine this being about placing a damn on the site, further endangering the tortoise species
    would providing water to an expanding population not outweigh the interest of preserving this species at this locale?
    I agree its always a question of balancing competing interests, but in this case we are talking about 1 rancher refusing to follow the law, not the entire cattle industry.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    So, how is this helped if some tea party goober shoots a BLM employee who is doing their job?

    Nothing sychophantic, just trying to ensure that a deadbeat follows the law, this has been adjudicated in court, Bundy claims there is no Federal government, because it is convenient to his pocketbook. You bring up words like tyranical government...they have been letting this mooch slide for years, hardly tyranical. Bundy is guilty for any BLM person that gets injured, he caused this situation, he needs to be a man and pay his damned bills.
    Bundy? I wasn't referring to Bundy.

    I was simply making an observation about sycophantic government bootlickers and how they would have denounced the militiamen at Concord bridge as nut-jobs and a fanatic fringe element. These extremist fanatics were, after all, bringing arms to bear against government employees over a simple disagreement over public policy.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I agree its always a question of balancing competing interests, but in this case we are talking about 1 rancher refusing to follow the law, not the entire cattle industry.
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