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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Yeah, it took the "jack booted thugs" what 20 years to "intimidate him".
    There's been 100+ years of history with that land but make sure you ignore it like you did just then.

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    Next time a ranger tells me not to commercially harvest timber in the State Forest with out a permit, I"ll just say:

    A. The land is mine in the mystical sense
    B. The ranger's order is "unconstitutional"
    C. And oh yeah... "Stop trying to intimidate me..."

    I would advocate grandfathering his privelage to use the area- if he pays his debts. I also dont like endangered species laws. I like freeloaders even less.
    If they did come at you with 100 armed federal agents and started driving your trucks away as some insipid plan to pay off your debt, I would have the same problem with the jack booted thugs yes. You keep hammering away at an issue which I agree with you. He had no legal claim, he owes money. The only person you're arguing with on that account is yourself. I've been very consistent about what I have a problem with and that is the intimidation. Bottom line was, the government didn't have the balls (and thankfully so) to shoot other American's over grass cattle ate. Their methods were overt bordering on totalitarian. That leaves me with a smidgen of hope that not all politicians are drooling morons.

    I think grandfathering the use would be great, though since something like 80% of Nevada is government owned land, I doubt that will happen. It's clear whatever the future use of the land in question, cattle nor people like Bundy are welcome given he's the last cattle rancher in his county and the rest were, allegedly, run off by the same government types.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Why should a rancher and his cattle have more value on public land than a threatened species? Personally, I don't think any one rancher and his cattle has more value than an entire species. Particularly when that rancher refuses for 20 years to pay the fees to use a common resource, in this case public land. There are 7 billion of us on this earth now, unless we want nothing but mass extinctions, we cannot always do whatever we want to any place.
    there are competing interests
    imagine this being about placing a damn on the site, further endangering the tortoise species
    would providing water to an expanding population not outweigh the interest of preserving this species at this locale?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Actually, it was fed land before the Bundy family arrived in the area.
    Yes... The land became US government land when the US won the war with Mexico.
    Nevada became a state in 1864 ...Bundy claims his family started grazing cattle there in the 1880s.
    The right wing media keeps feeding these people bad information. They just parrot the lies.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Why should a rancher and his cattle have more value on public land than a threatened species?
    I can think of a lot of reasons. Primarily because cattle is a source of food for people, as well as other resources such as leather, gelatine, pharmaceuticals, etc. Why should a tortoise have more rights than people? Relocate them to similar habitats.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Personally, I don't think any one rancher and his cattle has more value than an entire species. Particularly when that rancher refuses for 20 years to pay the fees to use a common resource, in this case public land. There are 7 billion of us on this earth now, unless we want nothing but mass extinctions, we cannot always do whatever we want to any place.
    No amount of land management will stop extinctions - it will only slow them down. Ultimately, people are more important than animals - any animal. Until interstellar space can be traversed with ease, animals will continue to lose out to an ever growing human population. That is human nature. While I didn't see you comment on the brown shirt methods used by the government, I can only assume you agree with the methods used - is that correct?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    How did the Federal Government come to own that land?
    They bought it from Mexico as part of the Mexican Cession
    What about the various Supreme Court decisions regarding The Federal Government and how it may Constitutionally come to own State land?
    Art IV, Sec 3
    The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States, or of any particular state.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Not the premise at all. The premise is that we treat all equally without regard for person, place, or position. Sharpton is in no way superior to Bundy or deserving of special treatment. And there are literally thousands of examples. Here's just one: Unpaid taxes: IRS report says $450 billion owed - Associated Press - POLITICO.com
    IOW, they should not start going after tax delinquents until they first start going after tax delinquents
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Yes... The land became US government land when the US won the war with Mexico.
    Nevada became a state in 1864 ...Bundy claims his family started grazing cattle there in the 1880s.
    The right wing media keeps feeding these people bad information. They just parrot the lies.
    Can you back that up with you know ... evidence? Something more than just your say so about that evil right wing conspiracy you vomited just now.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Bundy's family was grazing that land since before Nevada was a state. They started chagrin him rent for land he had been using for years.
    The land was purchased by the feds in 1864, which is at least 13 years before Bundy claims he started grazing there, and even that claim seems to be a lie because there's no evidence anyone in his family was there in 1877
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If they did come at you with 100 armed federal agents and started driving your trucks away as some insipid plan to pay off your debt, I would have the same problem with the jack booted thugs yes.
    I would understand their actions (send 100 guys) if I:

    - Said I would do "whatever it took" to defend my illegal logging operation (the one located on land I dont own) - and
    - Had several dozen armed people near me, some of whom openly promised to defend my illegal logging operation and maybe looking for a excuse to do so - and
    - The very patient government received word that more armed supporters were on their way over.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Can you back that up with you know ... evidence? Something more than just your say so about that evil right wing conspiracy you vomited just now.
    Bundy standoff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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