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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The Feds tried to intimidate him and it didn't work now the Feds look stupid. Bundy didn't invade Washington. What part of that are you still not understanding?
    Yeah, it took the "jack booted thugs" what 20 years to "intimidate him". Next time a ranger tells me not to commercially harvest timber in the State Forest with out a permit, I"ll just say:

    A. The land is mine in the mystical sense
    B. The ranger's order is "unconstitutional"
    C. And oh yeah... "Stop trying to intimidate me..."

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Yes the public property, where the suppose desert turtles were being protected.
    I would advocate grandfathering his privelage to use the area- if he pays his debts. I also dont like endangered species laws. I like freeloaders even less.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Oh really? Stop payments on your car loan and get a constitutional lawyer to keep the repo guys from towing your car.
    Good luck with that.
    More apples and oranges.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    No, at the practical level, I am 100% correct. The public property in question does not belong to him. This is the core concept. Yes, his property is an island, but he chooses to live there and this does not change the core concept.


    Not all the time. If I dont pay my car payments, my car is going to get removed. If I "squat" on somebody elses property, I am going to get removed.

    The Constitution forbids unlawful siezures -not all siezures. Please, stop the blind followership of Bundy.
    Exactly... Park your car in a city lot and stop paying the daily fee. See how long before it is towed away to an impound lot and held there in lieu of fees owed.
    This is very close to what the BLM were doing to Bundy's cattle.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    You didnt answer the question. What is libertarian about a centralized govt managing where cows eat grass?
    The Tragedy of the Commons is an example of a Market Failure. Even libertarians recognize that there is a government role in cases of market failures. If you have a finite resource: Public Land. With finite resources on it: Forage, Water, Plants and Animals, then there has to be a way of managing that resource for future generations and all interests.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    More apples and oranges.
    At some point you must concede that apples and oranges are both fruit.
    See my post # 533.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    At some point you must concede that apples and oranges are both fruit.
    See my post # 533.
    And you must concede that the G is making a fool of itself after a 20 year court battle to show up with armed BLM agents.
    To do nothing really but scare cattle and piss off people, 6 months before the mid terms.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Yes the public property, where the suppose desert turtles were being protected.
    Why should a rancher and his cattle have more value on public land than a threatened species? Personally, I don't think any one rancher and his cattle has more value than an entire species. Particularly when that rancher refuses for 20 years to pay the fees to use a common resource, in this case public land. There are 7 billion of us on this earth now, unless we want nothing but mass extinctions, we cannot always do whatever we want to any place.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    And you must concede that the G is making a fool of itself after a 20 year court battle to show up with armed BLM agents.
    To do nothing really but scare cattle and piss off people, 6 months before the mid terms.
    how is seizing debtor assets to satisfy a financial obligation after a twenty year litigation determined the debtor owes the government monies, found to be the government 'making a fool of itself'
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    And you must concede that the G is making a fool of itself after a 20 year court battle to show up with armed BLM agents.
    They gave him his chances to make his case in court and he lost. He then continued to break the law and steal from the federal government.
    What do you propose they should have done?
    My analogy about parking your car without paying the fee is VERY close to what has occurred here.
    The BLM took the same next step with Bundy's cattle the city will do with your car.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    To me this is a case of eminent domain. The Bundy's used the land long before the BLM and the Feds took the land over.
    Actually, it was fed land before the Bundy family arrived in the area.
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