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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Taking or removing a persons property is unconstitutional.
    Oh really? Stop payments on your car loan and get a constitutional lawyer to keep the repo guys from towing your car.
    Good luck with that.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Your home is not "yours" as long as there is a mortgage. But you keep playing apples and oranges.
    certainly it is yours. should be the owner's name on the deed

    only something caused there to be a lien of record
    sometimes a mortgage or deed of trust to voluntarily pledge that property as security to assure payment of a financial obligation
    other times a judgment involuntarily placed against an asset after it was found there was an unpaid obligation which could be wholly or partially satisfied from the attachment of that judgement to property to be sold at public auction
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    It is not his land. Likewise, the state forest where my ancestors have fished, trapped and hunted for three generation is not my land.

    Why am I the only conservative here who understands this concept? Please, quit being such a blind follower of Bundy.
    Where the cattle were grazing was not his land. That is correct.

    I'm not a follower of anyone yet you seem jump on with the government gravy train. I've consistently identified Bundy is in financial trouble and needs to figure that out. My issue with this has been the brown shirt heavy handed armed escalation that was and is all on the Goverment. The Feds tried to intimidate him and it didn't work now the Feds look stupid. Bundy didn't invade Washington. What part of that are you still not understanding?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Not LEO? So where did they get the guns and stunners?
    The BLM has a tiny force of about 270 to enforce their regulations nationwide. They are not primarily a law enforcement organization. Their primary mission is to manage the land owned by the federal government.
    The BLM fields a force of approximately 200 Law Enforcement Rangers (uniformed officers) and 70 Special Agents (criminal investigators) who enforce a wide range of laws and regulations in the prevention, detection, and investigation of crimes affecting public lands resources.
    Law Enforcement

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    His land is, using a metaphor, an island.

    I'm not sure what you think you understand, but at a practical level, it sounds like what you understand is incorrect.
    No, at the practical level, I am 100% correct. The public property in question does not belong to him. This is the core concept. Yes, his property is an island, but he chooses to live there and this does not change the core concept.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Taking or removing a persons property is unconstitutional.
    Not all the time. If I dont pay my car payments, my car is going to get removed. If I "squat" on somebody elses property, I am going to get removed.

    The Constitution forbids unlawful siezures -not all siezures. Please, stop the blind followership of Bundy.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    When a person owns land, that land has boundaries which separates land he owns and pays taxes on from other people's land or government owned land. This land is outlined by surveyors who outline the exact measurements and recorded in the local tax office by lot and block (some area's use different terminology). His land is, using a metaphor, an island.

    I'm not sure what you think you understand, but at a practical level, it sounds like what you understand is incorrect.
    the metes and bounds plat dimensions of the bundy ranch has no bearing on this matter. what does matter is that the rancher's cattle improperly grazed on the land of another without permission and payment. in short, he stole federal assets from the American public. and now it is time for him to both pay his delinquent obligation and to discontinue grazing on federal lands without authorization
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Your home is not "yours" as long as there is a mortgage. But you keep playing apples and oranges.
    The grazing land is not his, why did he pay the fees for so many years, then stop?

    (he is a freeloader moocher)
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    He paid lease fees until 1993, which is when he stopped. His faux outrage should have begun then. But, there weren't any tea militias around back then, were there?

    When the feds show up to seize property, they are usually armed.
    So ceasing payments wasn't sufficient 'faux outrage'? Are you suggesting that he isn't outraged unless he takes up arms? Seems that's more the government's position than it is Bundy's.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    No, at the practical level, I am 100% correct. The public property in question does not belong to him. This is the core concept. Yes, his property is an island, but he chooses to live there and this does not change the core concept.
    Yes the public property, where the suppose desert turtles were being protected.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    No, at the practical level, I am 100% correct. The public property in question does not belong to him. This is the core concept. Yes, his property is an island, but he chooses to live there and this does not change the core concept.


    Not all the time. If I dont pay my car payments, my car is going to get removed. If I "squat" on somebody elses property, I am going to get removed.

    The Constitution forbids unlawful siezures -not all siezures. Please, stop the blind followership of Bundy.
    You agreed to those terms on your car payment when you started the loan.

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