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Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

Moot said:
The BLM has the authority to enforce federal law on federal land which includes nabbing poachers, marijuana growers and even busting vacationers smoking a joint around the campfire out in the middle of nowhere.
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Not by use of para-military units.
 
Moot said:
Let us know when Bundy starts his own country then you can compare him to the founders. As it stands, he's just a free loader.
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How come not ewually riled about the IRS employees that collectively owe a BILLION dollars in back taxes?
 
apdst said:
How come not ewually riled about the IRS employees that collectively owe a BILLION dollars in back taxes?
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I remember the shock I had when learning that Obama's former Treasury Secretary Geithner owed thousands in back taxes! And they called Romney a tax cheat? :lamo: Disingenuous at best, since you can be certain Romney was careful to the penny on his taxes! Disgusting hypocricy!
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The bolded distinction is very important. Bundy refuses to pay the fees, based on lunacy, yet demands continued use of the land. Do you have some evidence that Bundy had paid someone else for current use of that land?
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Well, ahem, he did try to pay an agency of the state of Nevada, which is akin to you going to your electric company or other utility and trying to pay your mortgage-lease-rent to. They don't want your landlord's money, they want theirs. See, he doesn't recognize :lamo the US Government :roll: but he recognizes a state which is in the Union :doh

Most of us didn't know that Nevada seceded from the union, but ssshhhhh, don't tell anyone, especially the constitutionalists roaming the thread, and especially those bringing up the 1700's to 1800's they'll be celebrating. Me, you and Bundy know Nevada is no longer a state in the United States, please, keep it under your hat, very top secret, hush-hush and all that.
 
AJiveMan said:
Well, ahem, he did try to pay an agency of the state of Nevada, which is akin to you going to your electric company or other utility and trying to pay your mortgage-lease-rent to. They don't want your landlord's money, they want theirs. See, he doesn't recognize :lamo the US Government :roll: but he recognizes a state which is in the Union :doh

Most of us didn't know that Nevada seceded from the union, but ssshhhhh, don't tell anyone, especially the constitutionalists roaming the thread, and especially those bringing up the 1700's to 1800's they'll be celebrating. Me, you and Bundy know Nevada is no longer a state in the United States, please, keep it under your hat, very top secret, hush-hush and all that.
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I love how Bundy claims to be following in the footsteps of the Founding Fathers, ignoring the fact that Washington used federal forces to crush the whiskey rebellion which was over taxation as well. Read your history Bundy, the swat teams are nothing compared to washington's use of the army
 
apdst said:
Not by use of para-military units.
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I would think that catching armed poachers and cartel marijuana growers on federal land kinda requires SWAT like tactics.
 
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apdst said:
How come not ewually riled about the IRS employees that collectively owe a BILLION dollars in back taxes?
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Well, its kinda hard to get riled over something I don't know anything about.
 
j-mac said:
pfft! The "tortoise argument" has already been debunked as little more than a rouse to allow authoritarian action by this administration. If the cattle are detrimental to the tortoise, then you shouldn't be able to pay a fee to continue....All this is, (analogy here) is protection money, paid to the government mob.
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You obviously don't run cattle- I do. You seem to be clueless on what the facts truly are- given your attempt to call the BLM permit system a 'protection money' gambit I'd say hyperpartisanship has deluded you.

First the area Bundy is using WAS CLOSED to cattle grazing- so no amount of money was getting cattle back in there- so much for the government mob crap! :roll:

Next the reason the system uses permits is to CONTROL the number of cattle allowed on any given area. This is to prevent overgrazing, not shake down ranchers. Fact is fellow ranchers 'shake down' each other far harder than the Feds. The permits are a pittance of fair market value- reselling them at a tidy profit is common. (again so much for an 'authoritarian action')

I can see a very limited use of the tortoise habitat by cattle- it won't help the tortoise much as without cattle grazing and trampling forage other herbivores can produce the dung tortoises can use. BUT the number of permits would vary from year to year depending on forage production- which is very rain dependent.

NOBODY lets a rancher graze their land for free... why should the USofA Taxpayer?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The bolded distinction is very important. Bundy refuses to pay the fees, based on lunacy, yet demands continued use of the land. Do you have some evidence that Bundy had paid someone else for current use of that land?
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I understand what you're saying. But as far as I know, Bundy had paid his fees up to 1993 when the BLM arbitrarily change (doubled) the fees, and gave the excuse of some supposedly 'endangered species of tortoise'.... It was at that point that Bundy stopped paying....

Now, don't get me wrong, he went about it in the wrong way, and IMHO, stupidly refused to use qualified legal assistance to wage his complaint...But at this point, I just don't think that he is adept enough at addressing the crux of the matter for him in proper terminology for the media that is looking to destroy him.
 
AJiveMan said:
So the militia rented supersonic aircraft and flew to Bunkerville from Idaho, Colorado and other states, that's amazing. I didn't know militias had access to such modern vehicles.
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What are you talking about? The timeline in the WaPo gives a pretty accurate account, and I don't see where it says anything about the militia's getting there before the BLM, or even simultaneously....

According to the article, The BLM started to round up Bundy's cattle on March 27th....Militia didn't start showing up until April 10th....As far as I know, it is pretty easy to get from one side of the country to the other in 4 days, much less 2 weeks...

This is what I am talking about with progressive government supporters distorting the facts of this incident.

Here is the article....Again.

Everything you need to know about the long fight between Cliven Bundy and the federal government
 
Dittohead not! said:
If you were to have the job of evicting a deadbeat, and were told that 200 armed supporters were coming to help him, and that you'd better have your funeral arrangements made, would you:

a. simply show up and ask him to pretty please leave, or
b. show up with enough force to turn the possible slaughter into a stand off?

Personally, I'd pick b.
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Ok, so, do you only support the right to protest where the government says you can?
 
j-mac said:
What are you talking about? The timeline in the WaPo gives a pretty accurate account, and I don't see where it says anything about the militia's getting there before the BLM, or even simultaneously....

According to the article, The BLM started to round up Bundy's cattle on March 27th....Militia didn't start showing up until April 10th....As far as I know, it is pretty easy to get from one side of the country to the other in 4 days, much less 2 weeks...

This is what I am talking about with progressive government supporters distorting the facts of this incident.

Here is the article....Again.

Everything you need to know about the long fight between Cliven Bundy and the federal government
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LOL That article was full of misinformation. For one Bundy bought his ranch in the 1940's, his ancestors never raised cattle in the 1800's.
 
notquiteright said:
You obviously don't run cattle- I do. You seem to be clueless on what the facts truly are- given your attempt to call the BLM permit system a 'protection money' gambit I'd say hyperpartisanship has deluded you.

First the area Bundy is using WAS CLOSED to cattle grazing- so no amount of money was getting cattle back in there- so much for the government mob crap! :roll:

Next the reason the system uses permits is to CONTROL the number of cattle allowed on any given area. This is to prevent overgrazing, not shake down ranchers. Fact is fellow ranchers 'shake down' each other far harder than the Feds. The permits are a pittance of fair market value- reselling them at a tidy profit is common. (again so much for an 'authoritarian action')

I can see a very limited use of the tortoise habitat by cattle- it won't help the tortoise much as without cattle grazing and trampling forage other herbivores can produce the dung tortoises can use. BUT the number of permits would vary from year to year depending on forage production- which is very rain dependent.

NOBODY lets a rancher graze their land for free... why should the USofA Taxpayer?
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No, I don't run cattle....I think it is clear in here what my profession is, I have stated it many times, so your snarky small minded attack is unwelcome.

No, I am NOT clueless. I may not know all of the 'in's, and out's' of the system, but I can read, and I can look past the rhetoric and see what is going on here....It's about money.

Let's not kid ourselves here, if Bundy had gone along and paid the fines, and fees, you wouldn't even know who the hell he was, and he, and his cattle would be grazing there today....So, yes, there is an amount of money that the Government mafia wanted as protection shakedown to keep him there....

Your bringing up of the sale of permits between ranchers is irrelevant to this topic.

The "tortoise" excuse is just that, an excuse....nothing more...You want the real people behind this crackdown on Bundy, look to the Sierra club, The Centers for Biological Diversity, and other like minded anti human activists...

No one said that Bundy shouldn't pay his fees....Why do I have to keep repeating that to you people?
 
iguanaman said:
LOL That article was full of misinformation. For one Bundy bought his ranch in the 1940's, his ancestors never raised cattle in the 1800's.
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I am always told that the WaPo is a credible source...If you have something disputing a part of the article, that certainly doesn't dismiss the rest of the timeline....See this is what happens here....You progressives love to take a factual lay out of a timeline like this one, and because the writer of the article possibly (I don't know for sure because you didn't offer anything in the form of proof to back up your remark) got a part of background off, then that is cause for you to dismiss the entire thing in favor of your own warped rhetoric....

LOL indeed.
 
j-mac said:
No, I don't run cattle....I think it is clear in here what my profession is, I have stated it many times, so your snarky small minded attack is unwelcome. No, I am NOT clueless. I may not know all of the 'in's, and out's' of the system, but I can read, and I can look past the rhetoric and see what is going on here....It's about money. Let's not kid ourselves here, if Bundy had gone along and paid the fines, and fees, you wouldn't even know who the hell he was, and he, and his cattle would be grazing there today....So, yes, there is an amount of money that the Government mafia wanted as protection shakedown to keep him there....Your bringing up of the sale of permits between ranchers is irrelevant to this topic. The "tortoise" excuse is just that, an excuse....nothing more...You want the real people behind this crackdown on Bundy, look to the Sierra club, The Centers for Biological Diversity, and other like minded anti human activists... No one said that Bundy shouldn't pay his fees....Why do I have to keep repeating that to you people?
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Not being snarky- a man can have done more than one thing in his life- damn sure should have. You could have come from a ranching family, could have done a little ranch work going through school... you seem rather narrow minded in so many ways, AND you are totally clueless on the BLM, land management and grazing rates/costs.

You seem woefully ignorant of the facts and want to run a CON game. The land Bundy was ILLEGALLY running cattle on has been CLOSED to grazing since the early 90's. IF the 'Gubmint' was running a shake down then they wouldn't have closed the range and wouldn't limit the number of permits they issue. If Bundy was a law abiding man he wouldn't be grazing his cattle on the CLOSED BLM land and yes we wouldn't know him from Adam's alley cat.

You just can't seem to get this through the partisan haze surrounding you... the range land Bundy ILLEGALLY grazes is CLOSED! :doh

Ranchers reselling the permits is very germane to this... the permits are cheap- far cheaper than the lease/rent on private land so this ain't a 'Gubmint' mob deal. More like a sweetheart deal to a few ranchers at taxpayer expense. If it wasn't a sweet deal the permits wouldn't be on the resale market at FOUR TIMES their face value!!!!

If it's all about the Benjamins then the permits would be AT LEAST fair market value of similar private range land...

Yes the Conservationists are demanding the BLM enforce the court orders to remove Bundy cattle from CLOSED range land, but that is what the courts already decided. Since 1998 the courts have ruled Bundy needs to remove his cattle and he represented himself on appeal so he knows damn well what happened. Why do I have to keep repeating THAT to you people???? :shock:

I'm not taking issue with Bundy needs to pay his fines, YOU keep trying a lame CON game with that crap. Where I take issue with your CON crap is ANY thought on Bundy paying to run cattle on BLM land, and obeying the permit limit would have him still on the land CLOSED to grazing. Closed over 20 years ago BTW.

It simply would not. Those grazing rights were bought up in 1993 and retired.
 
j-mac said:
No, I don't run cattle....I think it is clear in here what my profession is, I have stated it many times, so your snarky small minded attack is unwelcome.

No, I am NOT clueless. I may not know all of the 'in's, and out's' of the system, but I can read, and I can look past the rhetoric and see what is going on here....It's about money.

Let's not kid ourselves here, if Bundy had gone along and paid the fines, and fees, you wouldn't even know who the hell he was, and he, and his cattle would be grazing there today....So, yes, there is an amount of money that the Government mafia wanted as protection shakedown to keep him there....

Your bringing up of the sale of permits between ranchers is irrelevant to this topic.

The "tortoise" excuse is just that, an excuse....nothing more...You want the real people behind this crackdown on Bundy, look to the Sierra club, The Centers for Biological Diversity, and other like minded anti human activists...

No one said that Bundy shouldn't pay his fees....Why do I have to keep repeating that to you people?
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If I recall correctly, you're an owner/operator of a truck. Now, that's an honorable occupation, and one with which we can draw some parallels with the practice of ranching on public lands.

You, too, are dependent on public property, the highways. You, too, pay a fee for the use of that land both through taxes on diesel fuel and license fees. You, too, are subject to regulations including speed limits, areas closed to trucks, safety regulations, and weight limits.

Now, were you to refuse to pay your license fees or abide by the regulations mentioned above, what would happen to your business?

Why should Bundy's business be any different?
 
j-mac said:
What are you talking about? The timeline in the WaPo gives a pretty accurate account, and I don't see where it says anything about the militia's getting there before the BLM, or even simultaneously....

According to the article, The BLM started to round up Bundy's cattle on March 27th....Militia didn't start showing up until April 10th....As far as I know, it is pretty easy to get from one side of the country to the other in 4 days, much less 2 weeks...

This is what I am talking about with progressive government supporters distorting the facts of this incident.

Here is the article....Again.

Everything you need to know about the long fight between Cliven Bundy and the federal government
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Nope. Read it again.
 
j-mac said:
I am always told that the WaPo is a credible source...If you have something disputing a part of the article, that certainly doesn't dismiss the rest of the timeline....See this is what happens here....You progressives love to take a factual lay out of a timeline like this one, and because the writer of the article possibly (I don't know for sure because you didn't offer anything in the form of proof to back up your remark) got a part of background off, then that is cause for you to dismiss the entire thing in favor of your own warped rhetoric....

LOL indeed.
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Yes I dismiss all of his twisted logic for his illegal behavior. Anyone who refuses to recognize the Federal Govt. is a traitor.
 
iguanaman said:
Yes I dismiss all of his twisted logic for his illegal behavior. Anyone who refuses to recognize the Federal Govt. is a traitor.
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Moot brought up an interesting point either in this, or a different Bundy thread, is the fact that he has an American flag flying near where he was addressing a crowd of people.

If he doesn't recognize the US Government, why is he flying the US flag?

Shouldn't he be flying the don't tread on me flag?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-S3hT8_fhJ...UQHpI/s1600/Republicon+Snake+In+The+Grass.jpg

http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/files/2014/04/bilde.jpg

http://freethoughtblogs.com/zingularity/files/2014/04/JPRANCHER1-articleLarge.jpg

Shouldn't he be flying the confederate flag too?
 
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notquiteright said:
Not being snarky- a man can have done more than one thing in his life- damn sure should have. You could have come from a ranching family, could have done a little ranch work going through school... you seem rather narrow minded in so many ways, AND you are totally clueless on the BLM, land management and grazing rates/costs.
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I've done a few things in my life yes....Ranching was not one of them...

You seem woefully ignorant of the facts and want to run a CON game. The land Bundy was ILLEGALLY running cattle on has been CLOSED to grazing since the early 90's. IF the 'Gubmint' was running a shake down then they wouldn't have closed the range and wouldn't limit the number of permits they issue. If Bundy was a law abiding man he wouldn't be grazing his cattle on the CLOSED BLM land and yes we wouldn't know him from Adam's alley cat.
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Ok, here we go...With your "CON" game this, and "CON" game that, in your tired attempt to bait the thread, and hurl your pejorative crap....Why don't you knock it off and have a regular conversation?

If it's all about the Benjamins then the permits would be AT LEAST fair market value of similar private range land...
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Actually, I went back and re read some of the early reports....This really isn't about Bundy not paying his grazing fees...You are correct that ranchers buy permits to graze their cattle on these lands, and when they purchase them, they own them, and the rights....In 1993, amidst a push from 'the Centers for Biological Diversity' the land use permits were bought back from ranchers in the area, and Bundy wouldn't sell his back. So, they closed the area, and started with fines....Yeah...I'd be pissed too.

If it's all about the Benjamins then the permits would be AT LEAST fair market value of similar private range land...
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Not all about the Benjamins...It's also about the ability to use force to push citizens around, and effectively extending that power of government force in an agenda way to groups like 'the Centers for Biological Diversity', and other anti human nut cases.

Yes the Conservationists are demanding the BLM enforce the court orders to remove Bundy cattle from CLOSED range land, but that is what the courts already decided. Since 1998 the courts have ruled Bundy needs to remove his cattle and he represented himself on appeal so he knows damn well what happened. Why do I have to keep repeating THAT to you people????
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You don't...I've already said that Bundy represented himself, and that as far as listening to him today, he may not have been competent to do so...And I have also said that he should have complied with the law, and court orders, and continued fighting....You just seem to display that unless I agree with everything you have to say, then you are going to place your fingers in your ears, and scream lalalalalalalala!

I'm not taking issue with Bundy needs to pay his fines, YOU keep trying a lame CON game with that crap. Where I take issue with your CON crap is ANY thought on Bundy paying to run cattle on BLM land, and obeying the permit limit would have him still on the land CLOSED to grazing. Closed over 20 years ago BTW.
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Addressed earlier..."CON" game this, "CON" game that....again....You know I really do picture if I were talking with someone that uses this sort of tactic in real life, I would just walk away from, because nothing they say would have anything of value wort addressing...I really hope that you aren't like this in real life....

It simply would not. Those grazing rights were bought up in 1993 and retired.
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Yeah...Just like the 'Mob' moving in....

"knock...knock....knock....

Hello

Hi Mr Bundy, We are here from the government mob, and we are taking over all the land you've been using for grazing....Now, you can sell us the permits at a **** price, and go out of business like your neighbors, or we can just use the full force of the "mob" government to tie you up in court, drain your resources, harass you, and then in the end come on in with para military forces and possibly kill you and your family....Now, what's your decision...?
 
Dittohead not! said:
If I recall correctly, you're an owner/operator of a truck. Now, that's an honorable occupation, and one with which we can draw some parallels with the practice of ranching on public lands.

You, too, are dependent on public property, the highways. You, too, pay a fee for the use of that land both through taxes on diesel fuel and license fees. You, too, are subject to regulations including speed limits, areas closed to trucks, safety regulations, and weight limits.

Now, were you to refuse to pay your license fees or abide by the regulations mentioned above, what would happen to your business?

Why should Bundy's business be any different?
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And that is a fair point ditto...I have conceded that Bundy was/is in the wrong for not paying his fines not fees....He already have bought the permits, and the government wanted to take them away...

It really would parallel my situation if:

I had all of my permits, and tags, licencing, and inter state DOT numbers, and registrations paid for, and all of the sudden the government showed up at my door, and told me that I could no longer drive on the Interstate, because the "the Center for Prius integration" wanted to protect the highway system for hybrid cars...

And then to make matters worse when I didn't agree to what the government was proposing, they came after me with SWAT....

You think that is America? You think that is how things should work?
 
j-mac said:
I've done a few things in my life yes....Ranching was not one of them... Ok, here we go...With your "CON" game this, and "CON" game that, in your tired attempt to bait the thread, and hurl your pejorative crap....Why don't you knock it off and have a regular conversation? Actually, I went back and re read some of the early reports....This really isn't about Bundy not paying his grazing fees...You are correct that ranchers buy permits to graze their cattle on these lands, and when they purchase them, they own them, and the rights....In 1993, amidst a push from 'the Centers for Biological Diversity' the land use permits were bought back from ranchers in the area, and Bundy wouldn't sell his back. So, they closed the area, and started with fines....Yeah...I'd be pissed too. Not all about the Benjamins...It's also about the ability to use force to push citizens around, and effectively extending that power of government force in an agenda way to groups like 'the Centers for Biological Diversity', and other anti human nut cases. You don't...I've already said that Bundy represented himself, and that as far as listening to him today, he may not have been competent to do so...And I have also said that he should have complied with the law, and court orders, and continued fighting....You just seem to display that unless I agree with everything you have to say, then you are going to place your fingers in your ears, and scream lalalalalalalala! Addressed earlier..."CON" game this, "CON" game that....again....You know I really do picture if I were talking with someone that uses this sort of tactic in real life, I would just walk away from, because nothing they say would have anything of value wort addressing...I really hope that you aren't like this in real life....

Hello

Hi Mr Bundy, We are here from the government mob, and we are taking over all the land you've been using for grazing....Now, you can sell us the permits at a **** price, and go out of business like your neighbors, or we can just use the full force of the "mob" government to tie you up in court, drain your resources, harass you, and then in the end come on in with para military forces and possibly kill you and your family....Now, what's your decision...?
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CON is short for CONservative and CON man... I see this rant about the 'gubmint' the same way I saw the 'Joe the Plumber' rant... CONs who are clueless trying to turn a liar, cheat, deadbeat into some sort of hero because he refuses to obey the law...:doh

This reminds me of another clueless CON ranters whining about lumber companies not being able to take the last of the 'old timber' from Gubmint lands because of an owl. It doesn't matter the critter, the land doesn't BELONG to any ONE man or company. Running cattle, cutting timber on Federal land isn't a RIGHT. CONs love telling LIBs what they want isn't a right, let me assure you exploiting natural resources on federal land isn't a RIGHT... :doh

Feel free to use LIB, or PRO, or even DEM in referring to people, your whine about me using CON is rather limp wristed, unlike some CONs who use libtard, CON is just the first 3 letters... (did I miss where you have taken CONs to task over the silly slurs they use????)

You have gone from claiming Bundy was just attacked one day by the BLM in paramilitary gear with absolutely no hint of possible violence from that lying nut case, to dropping that lying SOB, now trying to and make this an oh dark 30 knock on the door- what is with you CONs- you have to stroke it to the oh dark 30 knock??? and suddenly a hard working rancher is out of business???? :confused:

This went on for DECADES. Bundy was using SOMEONE else's land for free for DECADES and now when the owner of that land FINALLY acts you want to try and twist this into a oh dark 30 knock on the door????!!!!!

NO ONE has the right to use other people's land FOR FREE for DECADES! Yet you want to make this all about some mean ol 'Gubmint' strong arm.... :doh

The mindless clinging to an invented situation for hyperpartisan ranting is amazing.... I hope you are not like this in real life! :peace
 
notquiteright said:
CON is short for CONservative and CON man... I see this rant about the 'gubmint' the same way I saw the 'Joe the Plumber' rant... CONs who are clueless trying to turn a liar, cheat, deadbeat into some sort of hero because he refuses to obey the law...:doh

This reminds me of another clueless CON ranters whining about lumber companies not being able to take the last of the 'old timber' from Gubmint lands because of an owl. It doesn't matter the critter, the land doesn't BELONG to any ONE man or company. Running cattle, cutting timber on Federal land isn't a RIGHT. CONs love telling LIBs what they want isn't a right, let me assure you exploiting natural resources on federal land isn't a RIGHT... :doh

Feel free to use LIB, or PRO, or even DEM in referring to people, your whine about me using CON is rather limp wristed, unlike some CONs who use libtard, CON is just the first 3 letters... (did I miss where you have taken CONs to task over the silly slurs they use????)

You have gone from claiming Bundy was just attacked one day by the BLM in paramilitary gear with absolutely no hint of possible violence from that lying nut case, to dropping that lying SOB, now trying to and make this an oh dark 30 knock on the door- what is with you CONs- you have to stroke it to the oh dark 30 knock??? and suddenly a hard working rancher is out of business???? :confused:

This went on for DECADES. Bundy was using SOMEONE else's land for free for DECADES and now when the owner of that land FINALLY acts you want to try and twist this into a oh dark 30 knock on the door????!!!!!

NO ONE has the right to use other people's land FOR FREE for DECADES! Yet you want to make this all about some mean ol 'Gubmint' strong arm.... :doh

The mindless clinging to an invented situation for hyperpartisan ranting is amazing.... I hope you are not like this in real life! :peace
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Nice rant but I saw no such outrage at the OWS folks occupying public land. Like the OWS folks, Bundy seems to feel that he has a right to have his cattle occupy public land to make his bizarre political point and has a small but vocal group of supporters..
 
j-mac said:
And that is a fair point ditto...I have conceded that Bundy was/is in the wrong for not paying his fines not fees....He already have bought the permits, and the government wanted to take them away... It really would parallel my situation if: I had all of my permits, and tags, licencing, and inter state DOT numbers, and registrations paid for, and all of the sudden the government showed up at my door, and told me that I could no longer drive on the Interstate, because the "the Center for Prius integration" wanted to protect the highway system for hybrid cars... And then to make matters worse when I didn't agree to what the government was proposing, they came after me with SWAT.... You think that is America? You think that is how things should work?
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Still more CON BS... first you don't BUY a permit, you lease AUMs in a grazing district. If you read the terms of a lease the BLM can cancel the lease at any time (30 day notice). The leasee must abide by the conditions set on each lease to protect the land- and the BLM retains the right to cancel or terminate that lease. NO ONE is required to pay the total of the lease upfront. Bundy didn't pre-pay over 20 years of lease... :doh

So if you violate the rules governing your CDL but have paid your licence you expect to keep on driving???? Get cited for critical safety violations but your tag is still 'good' you think you should still be able drive that rolling POS on the interstate??? :shock:

Your analogy is yet another poor CON dodge... the closing of PART of the BLM land is the equiv of semis being 'forced' to use the bypass routes rather than the more congested downtown routes, it is the equiv of semis being banned from the 'scenic' and quite fragile cobblestone roads some towns have put in as part of beautification projects. Or the ban on jake brakes in certain towns.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Nice rant but I saw no such outrage at the OWS folks occupying public land. Like the OWS folks, Bundy seems to feel that he has a right to have his cattle occupy public land to make his bizarre political point and has a small but vocal group of supporters..
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I asked why YOU suddenly feel this way, not others, nice deflection... :roll:

You must have not been looking too hard to have missed the CON shrieking over the OWS protests... head in sand much???

Actually the big OWS sit in was in a private park the CONs wanted to be shut down, not public lands. Zuccotti Park

Cows don't just occupy, they consume and trample- the OWS folks would have had to take office equipment, food, and destroy private property to be the equiv.
 
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