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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Good for him. Its a unconstitutional law.
    what exactly is found unConstitutional about it?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    To start with???? This guy has owed money for years! He lost court cases....BLM should have busted his ass 10 years ago!
    Yep. To start with. There was no need to attempt to collect a minor number of cattle at gun point just to secure land. There are other less confrontational means at the government's disposal to remedy this debt and secure that land. The government acted foolishly.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    He paid lease fees until 1993, which is when he stopped. His faux outrage should have begun then. But, there weren't any tea militias around back then, were there?

    When the feds show up to seize property, they are usually armed.
    Why did Bundy stop paying the fees in 1993? That was the year Bill Clinton took office. This has been a partisan issue from the get go.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Rancher's son says force was necessary to stop cattle seizure | Reuters

    "We were dedicated to opening those gates and peacefully walking through to retrieve those cattle," Ammon Bundy said in an interview. "The presence of weapons was needed in order to intimidate them." Ammon Bundy

    [About 100 Bundy supporters, many wearing camouflage and carrying firearms, gathered on Sunday with the family for an informal church service at a makeshift protest command center.
    That's all good information and I'm sure they were very well armed, however, no where in either the Reuters piece nor in the Youtube vid did anyone claim that Bundy called in the militia, which was my question.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Ok, maybe the Occupiers will just "not object" to the presence of armed supporters in ther vicinity next time the "evil" feds try to collect their "unconstitutional" debts.

    "We were dedicated to opening those gates and peacefully walking through to retrieve those cattle," Ammon Bundy said in an interview. "The presence of weapons was needed in order to intimidate them." Ammon Bundy


    At the end of the day, Bundy had years to pay for his purchase, had no intention of paying, and threatened to do "what ever it takes to protect his cattle". Bundy sought out, and not surprisingly, found a confrontation.
    That's incorrect. Bundy did not seek out confrontation, the Feds came on his land not the other way around.'

    I agree that Bundy has to work out, without armed brown shirts surrounding his home, the legal issues between him and the BLM. Unlike others on this forum who wanted to see these people all shot without judicial process because they were "stealing" grass for their cattle (not the turtles which was a lie from the start).
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what exactly is found unConstitutional about it?
    It does not matter. Bundy says his debt are "unconstitutional" (Heck yeah, so are mine) and that he has a mystical right to use that property based on ancestory (I suppose I can just go harvest timber from state forests in Wisconsin. After all, I have three generations of hunting, fishing and trapping ancestors in that area).

    That is all that matters for some of his blind followers here. Just sub out "Bundy, right wing and rancher" for "Occupier, leftist and student" and see how fast right wing anarchists drop their support. Only right wing anarchy is sexy and only right wing debts are "unconstitutional".

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what exactly is found unConstitutional about it?
    Taking or removing a persons property is unconstitutional.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That's incorrect. Bundy did not seek out confrontation, the Feds came on his land not the other way around.'
    It is not his land. Likewise, the state forest where my ancestors have fished, trapped and hunted for three generation is not my land.

    Why am I the only conservative here who understands this concept? Please, quit being such a blind follower of Bundy.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Taking or removing a persons property is unconstitutional.
    Are foreclosures unconstitutiona?

    Not paying your bills is unlawful...correct?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Taking or removing a persons property is unconstitutional.
    that taking of property was to satisfy the just and legal obligations to the government
    nothing unConstitutional about that
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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