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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Sorry but that's a blog so not a credible source but even in the blog it stated that Bundy didn't call the militia:



    So it's just like I thought and yes, there I have it, just as I suspected.
    Somehow I knew you were going to attempt to discredit what I posted, why am I not a bit surprised about that?

    Oh, I know, divine intervention set into activists minds that Clyde was having trouble with the US Gubbermint. That explains it.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    First someone comes in and starts charging you rent for using your back yard that you've been using for 100+ years then they start whittling away at how you can use your back yard so you tell them to get bent.

    Sure, the guy went to court and lost but in this country that doesn't mean that legal alternatives have been exhausted. All it means is that he has to come up with another reason to contest the matter. It damned sure doesn't mean sending an armed force to seize the property.
    He paid lease fees until 1993, which is when he stopped. His faux outrage should have begun then. But, there weren't any tea militias around back then, were there?

    When the feds show up to seize property, they are usually armed.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Did they call the militia in? Can you link that part of the story?
    Rancher's son says force was necessary to stop cattle seizure | Reuters

    "We were dedicated to opening those gates and peacefully walking through to retrieve those cattle," Ammon Bundy said in an interview. "The presence of weapons was needed in order to intimidate them." Ammon Bundy

    [About 100 Bundy supporters, many wearing camouflage and carrying firearms, gathered on Sunday with the family for an informal church service at a makeshift protest command center.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfY3kIqSNvI

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    1,000 head of cattle, and a ranch with out buildings, yeah, he's got the money.

    If he has not, he can hire an attorney to plea his case, and possibly negotiate what he owes to a lower amount.


    But he just needed to invite militias to fight the government because he's anti government, and a deadbeat.
    I don't know Bundy, never heard of him before last week, and only have the reports of others regarding him, so I can't say what he is with any certainty. He could be a deadbeat, but certainly no more of one than the many others who owe the government money. The government doesn't need to physically confront the guy. They'll get their money eventually.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    As already cited, Bundy didn't call in armed supported (ie., militia), though I'm sure many would want to push that narrative, which is so far, untrue.
    Ok, maybe the Occupiers will just "not object" to the presence of armed supporters in ther vicinity next time the "evil" feds try to collect their "unconstitutional" debts.

    "We were dedicated to opening those gates and peacefully walking through to retrieve those cattle," Ammon Bundy said in an interview. "The presence of weapons was needed in order to intimidate them." Ammon Bundy


    At the end of the day, Bundy had years to pay for his purchase, had no intention of paying, and threatened to do "what ever it takes to protect his cattle". Bundy sought out, and not surprisingly, found a confrontation.

    Try self declaring yourself exempt from debt collection (are not all debts "unconstitutional"? Well, mine are LOL), dont pay on something for years, threaten to "protect your assets" if anybody tries to collect on the debt and see how nice the local police treat you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    First someone comes in and starts charging you rent for using your back yard that you've been using for 100+ years then they start whittling away at how you can use your back yard so you tell them to get bent.
    Invalid comparison. It is not his back yard. He does not own that property. Bundy has no mystical ownership of the property based on ancestory. His privelage to use the area, however, should be respected- so long as he pays the rent.

    My ancestors are third generation residents near a state forest in Wisconsin. They have hunted, fished and trapped there for generations.
    That does not make the State Forest "my back yard". If I choose to obtain permission to take timber from that area, I need to pay the owner - period.

    Am I the only conservative here who understands these concepts?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Well dang. That just makes it worse. Part of the war on wimmens, too then...... Actually it was the Feds who went in heavy to start with, but I can see where the possibility of whacking some hillbillies would excite some. If they work at it, maybe the feds can wipe out Bundy's whole family too.
    To start with???? This guy has owed money for years! He lost court cases....BLM should have busted his ass 10 years ago!
    "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Somehow I knew you were going to attempt to discredit what I posted, why am I not a bit surprised about that?

    Oh, I know, divine intervention set into activists minds that Clyde was having trouble with the US Gubbermint. That explains it.
    I don't have to discredit it - it's just that Bundy didn't call in the militia. There are no facts to the contrary.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Its his contention, and I agree with him.
    Translation:
    He got nothin'.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Translation:
    He got nothin'.
    Nothing? Yet the G has been waiting for 20 years to do something. Seems you are wrong.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I'd suggest that y'all read this eminently fair article about the situation before supporting an armed eviction of Cliven Bundy and his cattle.
    Why You Should Be Sympathetic Toward Cliven Bundy | Power Line
    [emphasis added by bubba]
    'eminently fair' article
    you apparently forgot to add '[/sarcasm]' to warn readers that the article was clearly agenda biased against Obama
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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