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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    From the OP"
    "The fight involves a 600,000-acre area under BLM control called Gold Butte, near the Utah border. The vast and rugged land is the habitat of the protected desert tortoise, and the land has been off-limits for cattle since 1998. Five years before that, when grazing was legal, Bundy stopped paying federal fees for the right."

    BLM land is public land. As a taxpayer I object to someone using the land for free for a commerical business. It is not Bundy's ranch/land. It is our land. I have no objection to ranchers paying to graze on public land when the grazing is managed. At times I feel the t&e act is unfair to historical usages of the land.

    that said. I feel the feds need to not over react. The rancher also needs to not over react. Bundy needs to understand that BLM must follow the laws passed by Congress and the land is not his.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Not very libertarian of you.
    Not even libertarians are in favor of giving our land away.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    I hope the criminal gets locked up.....or worse
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    I would grandfather his grazing privelages (not rights) in the area. In addition, I am not a big fan of overzealous endangered species laws.

    At the same time, I have little sympathy for this guy. The rancher exempted himself (surprise?) from paying not one, but five years worth of grazing fees before the ban on cattle. The "evil" Feds are not going "retard". Rather, they have been pretty patient.



    Yea, and do what with it? Sell it on the open market? The Turner Foundation may well buy it and then these ranchers would have absolutely no access to it as it would be the private property of a more successful enterpreneur.

    The best solution would have been to simply:
    Grandfather this rancher's access to the land (he is third generation) at his historic use levels; but if and only if he pays the five back years of grazing fees.

    I hate paying toll fees on the roads that I use. Maybe I"ll just exempt myself... .

    Well since those are public lands, plenty of us do choose to see the tortoises survive and not see the rest of the range degraded by illegal grazing. It's landed that belongs to everyone and he's cheating all of us, financially and environmentally.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Well since those are public lands, plenty of us do choose to see the tortoises survive and not see the rest of the range degraded by illegal grazing. It's landed that belongs to everyone and he's cheating all of us, financially and environmentally.
    Actually that's the state of Nevada's land and they are backing the rancher.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Actually that's the state of Nevada's land and they are backing the rancher.
    Why would the BLM be managing and issuing grazing permits on State Lands?

    BLM land is federal, just as the National Forest and National Parks are federal.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Why would the BLM be managing and issuing grazing permits on State Lands?

    BLM land is federal, just as the National Forest and National Parks are federal.
    The state is taking issue with the feds owning the land which I believe in that particular case was taken by the feds from the state. The fight with the rancher seems just to be the vehicle the state is using.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    The state is taking issue with the feds owning the land which I believe in that particular case was taken by the feds from the state. The fight with the rancher seems just to be the vehicle the state is using.
    I do not believe that to be the case. Though I could be wrong, I think it has been designated as conservation zone and BLM has been appointed to adminster it, but that it still "belongs" to the state of NV
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Do cows eat tortoises or am I missing something? Think of this like foodstamps for destitute cattle.

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