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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I can't help you there. The treasury doesn't care about the sources of their income. The debtor's bank account doesn't care whether the check is made out to the IRS, BLM or any other alphabet agency. And no, I don't expect you to understand something so fundamental.
    You can't help yourself.
    You not of which you speak.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    No I'm not. You are. The reason the federal agents are involved is because they claim Bundy owes them money. It wouldn't matter whether it was the IRS, BLM, or any other agency within the government. The debt is what precipitated the action. Exactly which of the agencies Bundy owes the money to is a moot point trotted out to cover the selective nature of the attempted enforcement.
    Federal agents are involved because
    1. he owes money

    2. he is in contempt of a court ruling that stated he owes money

    Next up, the US Marshals will possibly attempt to serve an arrest warrant on contempt charges.

    I'm waiting for some moron to shoot a federal officer trying to serve a warrant.

    I'm also waiting for Clyde to resist arrest.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    This farmer has spent 20 years defying federal law out of contempt.
    Good for him. Its a unconstitutional law.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    You can't help yourself.
    You not of which you speak.
    Well, you'll have to clear that bit up a little, there. Or you could read my previous post, which actually does make some sense.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    No I'm not. You are. The reason the federal agents are involved is because they claim Bundy owes them money. It wouldn't matter whether it was the IRS, BLM, or any other agency within the government. The debt is what precipitated the action. Exactly which of the agencies Bundy owes the money to is a moot point trotted out to cover the selective nature of the attempted enforcement.
    The BLM is taking action because Bundy owes the money for the user fees to them.
    It may be to you but that is not a moot point to the BLM or to Bundy

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Federal agents are involved because
    1. he owes money

    2. he is in contempt of a court ruling that stated he owes money

    Next up, the US Marshals will possibly attempt to serve an arrest warrant on contempt charges.

    I'm waiting for some moron to shoot a federal officer trying to serve a warrant.

    I'm also waiting for Clyde to resist arrest.
    Then the government wasted taxpayer time and money. They should have submitted a lien against Bundy's ranch and pursued payment through the courts and the IRS. There was zero reason for an armed state or federal officer to be there, and everyone knows it and can now see the heavy handed federal gestapo tactics used.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Well, you'll have to clear that bit up a little, there. Or you could read my previous post, which actually does make some sense.
    Sorry but this case has nothing to do with the ACA.
    References to the ACA make no sense.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Then the government wasted taxpayer time and money. They should have submitted a lien against Bundy's ranch and pursued payment through the courts and the IRS. There was zero reason for an armed state or federal officer to be there, and everyone knows it and can now see the heavy handed federal gestapo tactics used.
    No, the IRS normally doesn't involve itself into a land or lease of land squabble.

    I'll tell you this though, when or if a federal marshal or marshals go back to issue an arrest for contempt of court, you can bet your sweet ass they'll be armed, most US Marshals are armed.

    You might want to take a step into the reality part of that.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Federal agents are involved because
    1. he owes money

    2. he is in contempt of a court ruling that stated he owes money

    Next up, the US Marshals will possibly attempt to serve an arrest warrant on contempt charges.

    I'm waiting for some moron to shoot a federal officer trying to serve a warrant.

    I'm also waiting for Clyde to resist arrest.
    I haven't disputed the nature or veracity of the debt. I have merely pointed out the selective nature of enforcement, and documented it. Since none have addressed that, I assume it's because none can.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Then the government wasted taxpayer time and money. They should have submitted a lien against Bundy's ranch and pursued payment through the courts and the IRS. There was zero reason for an armed state or federal officer to be there, and everyone knows it and can now see the heavy handed federal gestapo tactics used.
    Bundy was continuing to violate court orders and violate the law in defiance of litigation against him.
    Law breakers who are caught in the act are generally stopped by law enforcement.
    If you are caught speeding every night on the same stretch of road by the same cop ... is he going to put a "lien" on your house to stop you from speeding and get you to pay your speeding tickets?
    No. He is going to have your car impounded.
    The BLM were in the process of seizing Bundy's cattle when the guns came out.

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