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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Stealing? Grass? Pffffft
    Yes. It's not his land to profit from. Others pay for that. Check the law.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Glad to know your views on killing American's who in your view, steal, has limits.
    Answer my question please.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Bundy's family was grazing that land since before Nevada was a state. They started chagrin him rent for land he had been using for years.
    Not so.
    Nevada was granted statehood in October 1864. Bundy claims his family has used the land since the 1880s.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Stealing? Grass? Pffffft

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------So, when you visit a National Forest, it's okay to steal the toilet paper and shower heads out of the bathrooms because somebody else paid for it.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Oh hell, when you're in the wrong, admit your mistake, pay the bill and get on with your life.

    Some US Government land in Nevada is managed by BLM, which allows stock grazing in some areas under certain permits and restrictions. Bundy grazed his cattle legally on an area of federal land near Bunkerville prior to 1993, but when grazing rules were changed in the Gold Butte, Nevada area in Clark County, he became locked in legal battles with the US government.[4] Bundy has accumulated over $1 million of debt in unpaid grazing fees and admitted that he has refused to pay them.[5]
    United States v. Bundy[edit]


    US v Bundy Filings:
    *June 2012 - Answer
    *Dec 2012 - Motion for Summary Judgment
    *July 2013 - Court Order
    The case of United States v. Bundy played out over many years in the United States District Court for the District of Nevada. It involved court orders, injunctions, and notices. Bundy argued that the land belongs to the state.[5] The court ruled that the land on which Bundy was grazing his cattle was indeed owned by the federal government, that he had not been paying to use it as he should have been, that Bundy and his cattle were trespassing, and that the government had the right to enforce the injunctions against trespass. The court found that Bundy repeatedly violated the court orders and continued to have his cattle trespass.[5][6]
    Bundy standoff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    So, he admits he's not paying the bills, a court tells him to pay the bills, but remains contemptuous.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    If they take up arms against Americans enforcing the law... yes! The guy's a thief, not a patriot protecting his rights.
    The really sad thing is that the folks who came out from under their rocks to bring their toys and pound their chest in macho bravado to impress each other now believe they actually faced down the government. This will only encourage such insanity in the future.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Cliven Bundy Has No Claim to Federal Land and Grazing
    by KEN COLE on APRIL 14, 2014
    By Ralph Maughan and Ken Cole

    In the acrimonious case of Cliven Bundy, it is important that folks understand a bit about the history of the U.S. public lands.

    Cliven Bundy, the rancher whose cattle were rounded up and then released by the BLM over the weekend, claims that his family has used the land in question since 1880 but the Nevada Constitution pre-dates this by 16 years. When Nevada became a state in 1864, its citizens gave up all claims to unappropriated federal land and codified this in the state’s Constitution. The Nevada Constitution states:

    “Third. That the people inhabiting said territory do agree and declare, that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States; …..”


    If Bundy “owns the land then where is the deed? Where are the records he paid property taxes?

    It’s not his land.

    Bundy also claims that it his “right” to graze these BLM public lands. This is not the case. The Taylor Grazing Act of 1934 specifically states that the issuance of a grazing permit does not confer any right to graze or right to own the land. The Taylor Grazing Act is the granddaddy of the U.S. laws governing grazing on federal land. “Taylor” was a rancher and a congressman from Colorado, hardly someone to want government tyranny over ranching.
    Cliven Bundy Has No Claim to Federal Land and Grazing | The Wildlife News
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

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    Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Stealing? Grass? Pffffft

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------So, when you visit a National Forest, it's okay to steal the toilet paper and shower heads out of the bathrooms because somebody else paid for it.
    Apples and oranges and I would not expect my home to be surrounded 20 years later over it.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    So what exactly does that have to do with Bundy? Please explain.
    Heavens. Out of all the people and entities that owe significant taxes - much more significant than Bundy - they go after Bundy, while the others walk. Sharpton is but one example. There are no armed federal agents surrounding Sharpton in an attempt to collect the taxes he owes. Bundy, however, is given the full knee-cap treatment. A reasonable person should wonder why the discrepancy. An unreasonable person probably doesn't care about such silly stuff as equal treatment under the law.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Apples and oranges and I would not expect my home to be surrounded 20 years later over it.
    This farmer has spent 20 years defying federal law out of contempt.
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