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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    I hate paying toll fees on the public roads that I use. Maybe I"ll just exempt myself.

    I could justify it by claiming that I have some mystical intrinsic right to travel and that the government is going "full retard" by telling me otherwise.

    That aside, I would grandfather the ranchers grazing privelages, but only if he paid the five years of grazing fees that he owes.
    The federal govt does have the power to run postal roads. It doesnt have the power to take land from states to protect animals.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Its not your land, thats his position. Whether he paid the ransom or not at some point isnt really relevant.
    And what makes the farmers claim to the land valid?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Its not your land, thats his position. Whether he paid the ransom or not at some point isnt really relevant.
    It is our land. He's wrong. He's a squatter who needs to be evicted.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    And what makes the farmers claim to the land valid?
    The 10th amendment.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It is our land. He's wrong. He's a squatter who needs to be evicted.
    Not very libertarian of you.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The federal govt does have the power to run postal roads. It doesnt have the power to take land from states to protect animals.
    The and was not takne for Nevada for the purpose of protecting animals per se. To my knowledge, the federal government has always retained the right to own property and to determine the rules of usage for that property.

    Face it, the rancher, like the Occupiers have lot of core principals in common (though one is right wing and the others left wing in orientation).

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Not very libertarian of you.
    Though I am not a liberatian, I dont see any contradictions. The land is not his and neither he nor the occupiers can exempt themselves from the fees the owners charge use a particular recesource.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The 10th amendment.
    The 10th doesn't give him free grazing rights on land he doesn't own. Whether it is state, local or federal public lands.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The 10th amendment.
    The 10th Amendment:
    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
    What part exactly are you attributing to the farmers claim?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Am I the only one thinking that setting aside 600,000 acres - something like 950 sq miles - of land to protect a tortoise, which isn't even endangered just "vulnerable", is a little overkill?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Am I the only one thinking that setting aside 600,000 acres - something like 950 sq miles - of land to protect a tortoise, which isn't even endangered just "vulnerable", is a little overkill?
    To normal common sense thinking people yes. However, the issue really isn't centering on the tortoise though that's the excuse being used, it's really about control. I'm not sure why the farmer should expect his cows to graze when he stopped paying for that right, and secondly, when he was told to stop. I appreciate his position and yes he's being squeezed out of a living. The real issue here is about government control and he's making a stand - again - something I can appreciate. This is what happens when government gets too big for it's own good. Eventually, blood will be spilled - maybe not in this instance but sooner or later.
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