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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Look it up, its state land.
    while i agree the property is located within the state, are you saying the federal government has no rights over it. since you can look it up so easily, show us your proof that there is no basis for federal government involvement
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Wow, a million dollars worth of grass? Yea, real criminal there. Pfffffft
    If it's not the grass, it's the turtles; if it's not the turtles then it's the grazing rights. The BLM simply needs to take the amount owed to them, put a lien on the Bundy ranch, or go through the IRS and attach his wages. All this show of force nonsense is laughable... it's intimidation. Are we supposed to believe that the Federal Government cannot use the legal and financial systems of this country to make sure owed money is paid?

    Bundy needs to get a few good lawyers and the BLM, Reid and his little buddies need to cease and desist the bullying with armed personnel.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    And how is a federal bureaucracy which controls 90% of a state, makes arbitrary laws governing it, and does so without explicit permisison from the people 'minimal govt?'
    The BLM, the National Forest Service, and the National Park service were all set up by the elected representatives of the people to take care of the land that belongs to all of us. No one entity controls 90% of any state. Parts of the public land in Nevada are administered by the other two entities as well.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    But they have not acted. Lax enforcement of what the fed deems as law.
    It does seem that they acted rather slowly. I wouldn't be happy with a realty agency that allowed someone to occupy a building of mine for that long without paying rent.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If it's not the grass, it's the turtles; if it's not the turtles then it's the grazing rights. The BLM simply needs to take the amount owed to them, put a lien on the Bundy ranch, or go through the IRS and attach his wages. All this show of force nonsense is laughable... it's intimidation. Are we supposed to believe that the Federal Government cannot use the legal and financial systems of this country to make sure owed money is paid?

    Bundy needs to get a few good lawyers and the BLM, Reid and his little buddies need to cease and desist the bullying with armed personnel.
    I basically agree on what the feds legal strategy should be. I think your advice is wise.

    I do however strongly believe that this entire episode is damning on both sides as it shows there is a fanatic fringe element out there who is ready to take up arms and sniper positions to kill government employees over a disagreement over public policy. And that kind of extremism is a prescription for possible civil war. When I saw the film of a well armed man on a bridge taking up a sniper position to fire at the police and agents, all I could feel was the overwhelming impression that there are some really nutjobs out there who badly need to be placed back underneath the bottom of the barrel from which they crawled out of.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If it's not the grass, it's the turtles; if it's not the turtles then it's the grazing rights. The BLM simply needs to take the amount owed to them, put a lien on the Bundy ranch, or go through the IRS and attach his wages. All this show of force nonsense is laughable... it's intimidation. Are we supposed to believe that the Federal Government cannot use the legal and financial systems of this country to make sure owed money is paid?

    Bundy needs to get a few good lawyers and the BLM, Reid and his little buddies need to cease and desist the bullying with armed personnel.
    You mean the turtles that the BLM has been killing for months?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I basically agree on what the feds legal strategy should be. I think your advice is wise.

    I do however strongly believe that this entire episode is damning on both sides as it shows there is a fanatic fringe element out there who is ready to take up arms and sniper positions to kill government employees over a disagreement over public policy. And that kind of extremism is a prescription for possible civil war. When I saw the film of a well armed man on a bridge taking up a sniper position to fire at the police and agents, all I could feel was the overwhelming impression that there are some really nutjobs out there who badly need to be placed back underneath the bottom of the barrel from which they crawled out of.
    Force is met with force... people of great conviction are somewhat rare but they do still exist. I'm sure there were extreme members who rallied to Bundy's side but that is to be expected when a heavy handed federal government uses brute force. This is a lesson for the federal government - Bundy will need to fight his real battle with the courts (again) or through his lawyers and the IRS.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I basically agree on what the feds legal strategy should be. I think your advice is wise.

    I do however strongly believe that this entire episode is damning on both sides as it shows there is a fanatic fringe element out there who is ready to take up arms and sniper positions to kill government employees over a disagreement over public policy.
    but don't these same extremists view their second amendment gun rights as providing legitimacy for the use of those arms in insurrection against the government?

    And that kind of extremism is a prescription for possible civil war. When I saw the film of a well armed man on a bridge taking up a sniper position to fire at the police and agents, all I could feel was the overwhelming impression that there are some really nutjobs out there who badly need to be placed back underneath the bottom of the barrel from which they crawled out of.
    and once you have found the opposite side to now be the enemy in a shooting war, then all tactics - excepting those prohibited by the geneva conventions - become legitimate in that fight
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    I'm totally confused by the right's viewpoint on this. The man is basically stealing. Why is the right supporting a thief?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Given Eric Holder's claim to possess broad Law enforcement discretion, I just keep wondering why the DOJ needed to make damn sure to enforce THIS Law against THIS guy.
    Can anyone suggest an answer?

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