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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    The federal government needs to start selling it's public land to the private owners and pay off it's debt.
    Unfortunately that would put the grazing lands all over the US in the hands of a very few owners. Eventually there would be no grazing lands left for farmers who aren't part of the large concerns.

    Also, private land is much more subject to zoning change. Eventually those grazing lands would be condos.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That doesn't change what got the wheels of government rolling over him. Once they start, they don't stop - nor does the announcement of intentions change anything anyway.
    What got "the wheels of government rolling" was a failure to pay his bills - for TWENTY FREAKIN' YEARS!!! If nothing else happens, his credit rating should be negative.

    The man's actions over several years just might be why the Nevada Cattlemen's Assn didn't provide support for Bundy.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Not a hi-jack, its a comparitive analysis.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Squatter's rights?

    His family has been there since the 1800's, maybe he feels he's entitled to land he does not own? Sounds kind of liburul I know, but that might be what's going on in his mind.
    I really do not give two craps about his family history. He does not own the land but uses it for his own business purposes and owes money accordingly.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    What got "the wheels of government rolling" was a failure to pay his bills - for TWENTY FREAKIN' YEARS!!! If nothing else happens, his credit rating should be negative.

    The man's actions over several years just might be why the Nevada Cattlemen's Assn didn't provide support for Bundy.
    Nonsense.

    Then why did the Fed's have to use thd false narraw of desert turtle protection. ?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Nonsense.

    Then why did the Fed's have to use thd false narraw of desert turtle protection. ?
    Because they didn't
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Landlords don't usually arrive armed and with helicopters either.
    Gee, if I refused to pay my private citizen land lord rent money for years and then I also refused to leave the property and also advanced half baked theories that he was not the owner, I think he would come armed. And... I dont think it would have taken him as a private citizen years to show up either.

    Helicopter? Probably not, simply because he does not own one. If he had one, he would probably bring that to.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    What got "the wheels of government rolling" was a failure to pay his bills - for TWENTY FREAKIN' YEARS!!! If nothing else happens, his credit rating should be negative.

    The man's actions over several years just might be why the Nevada Cattlemen's Assn didn't provide support for Bundy.
    Great post, and I agree. But, if you have ever owed the fed, like the IRS money, you and I know it's only a matter of time before they do something about it, such as wage garnishment, seizing property, and so forth.

    I have to admit, rounding up his cattle is a bit extreme, moreover probably a scare tactic that backfired. The judges should have issued a warrant for Bundy's arrest, and had US Marshals deliver it, and placed him in custody peacefully.

    If I didn't know better, I'd have to say the judges PWND the federal agents by issuing arrest warrants for cattle.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Great post, and I agree. But, if you have ever owed the fed, like the IRS money, you and I know it's only a matter of time before they do something about it, such as wage garnishment, seizing property, and so forth.

    I have to admit, rounding up his cattle is a bit extreme, moreover probably a scare tactic that backfired. The judges should have issued a warrant for Bundy's arrest, and had US Marshals deliver it, and placed him in custody peacefully.

    If I didn't know better, I'd have to say the judges PWND the federal agents by issuing arrest warrants for cattle.
    One little point I noted but nobody else seems to have caught it
    Between Saturday and Wednesday, contracted wranglers impounded a total of 352 cattle, federal officials said. Bundy says he owns 500 of the more than 900 cattle that federal officials are planning to confiscate for illegal grazing, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported. Bundy told the newspaper that each head of his livestock is worth about $1,000.
    Who owns the extra 400 cows? Is Bundy just going to acquire the extra ones because no one else will claim them? If they really are each worth $1000, that is $400,000 wandering around on federal lands - who should benefit?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    One little point I noted but nobody else seems to have caught it
    Who owns the extra 400 cows? Is Bundy just going to acquire the extra ones because no one else will claim them? If they really are each worth $1000, that is $400,000 wandering around on federal lands - who should benefit?
    It depends on what the feds have in store.

    Usually, when a person, company or corporation owes the federal government, the government seizes assets to satisfy a court judgement, and those assets are liquidated - sold to satisfy the terms of the judgement. The federal government will end up taking the funds, but they'd better make sure that the cattle they arrested have Bundy's brands on them and not some other rancher's brand.

    If the sale of the cattle arrested doesn't cover what he owes, his ranch might go on an auction block, but that depends on if the feds go that far.

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