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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The haters are gonna hate, that's for sure. I've already posted a rebuttal to this claim, a claim which in no way should be considered "Breaking News". LAST YEAR, that would be in 2013, the Chinese company announced they would not be building a solar energy facility in Nevada.. and one other point, they weren't even looking at land in Clark County where Bundy lives, their plans were for a site 90 miles SOUTH of Las Vegas - Bundy lives 90 miles NORTHEAST of Las Vegas.

    Here's the link again -- Company dumps big Laughlin solar project, says market won


    I would say, you and others really don't have a clue as to what is happening in Nevada but if it can be construed in any fashion as being negative toward the Administration, even when falsehoods are used as 'support', you will go for it.

    Maybe if your ilk didn't bitch and moan so much about the prior administration, only to defend the same or worse corruption in this administration people wouldn't laugh at the postings of liberal, progressive, socialist supporters so much...It is entertaining though....
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Libertarian: The philosophy that the purpose of government is to protect our rights. I have a right to use public lands. So do you. The problem comes when your use of the land impinges on my use of the land, or vice versa. If I want to bring back the practice of hydraulic mining, for example, my use of the land just might impinge on you if you'd like to use it for hunting or fishing. When that happens, the government has to regulate the lands we all own in common so that we can all use the lands. Proper use of the land costs money for the construction of trails, roads, bridges, fences, etc. It is only right that the users of public lands pay those costs. The taxpayer shouldn't have to pay to have a parking lot paved on our local BLM lands so I can go there, park my truck, and hike around or hunt quail. It's only right that I and my fellow hunters/hikers/mountain bikers pay that cost. Same with cattle grazing. I don't really need fences to hunt quail, find them a nuisance in fact, but the cattle rancher needs them, and should pay for them.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The land at issue was purchased from the Mexican govt by the Federal govt and has been owned by the feds since then. When the state joined the union, it agreed that these public lands were owned by the feds. The BoR does not forbid the govt from purchasing land from other nations.
    The federal govt doesnt have the power to purchase land, other than for powers listed, of which expansion of territory is not one. They fought a war, and those were the terms of the treaty, also illegal. But show me where the people of Nevada agreed the land was owned by the feds? I dont see anything that says that in their constitution. There wasnt even a grazing service until the 1930s, long after Nevada was a state.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    You mean make BLM something other than government lands? No management? Or mismanaged? The lands that so many people like myself have enjoyed the use of so much?

    Lands where ordinary people can go to discover things, things like this? Land of openness where people can enjoy themselves?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Maybe if your ilk didn't bitch and moan so much about the prior administration, only to defend the same or worse corruption in this administration people wouldn't laugh at the postings of liberal, progressive, socialist supporters so much...It is entertaining though....
    That's weird. Are you really saying that simply because my "ilk" bitches and moans about Bush, your side tends to believe the most outrageous and untrue statements if they attack the present Administration? 'cause that is sure what it reads like.

    For some reason I didn't see any "laughing" in a post that repeated an untrue statement which I had already shown to be untrue
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    We now do know why this all is happening:


    Reports: Company Tied to Reid's Son Wants Land in Bundy Standoff

    Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com Reports: Company Tied to Reid's Son Wants Land in Bundy Standoff
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The federal govt doesnt have the power to purchase land, other than for powers listed, of which expansion of territory is not one. They fought a war, and those were the terms of the treaty, also illegal. But show me where the people of Nevada agreed the land was owned by the feds? I dont see anything that says that in their constitution. There wasnt even a grazing service until the 1930s, long after Nevada was a state.
    If the federal govt wasn't allowed to purchase land, then Bundy would be living in Mexico.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You liken the government in this case to a 'landlord/tenant' type of situation. I am not aware of any such arrangement where the tenant owns what the landlord is trying to collect on, are you?
    Landlords don't usually arrive armed and with helicopters either.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Landlords don't usually arrive armed and with helicopters either.
    No, you're correct about that. County deputies usually show up and throw your personal belongings on the curb, and ask you to leave the premises, if you don't, well, we know what happens then, don't we?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    We, the people own quite a large percentage of the land in Nevada. We own quite a bit in California, as well. I'm not in favor of giving it away, though, are you?
    We the people?
    Notice how much land the fed owns in Nevada?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You liken the government in this case to a 'landlord/tenant' type of situation. I am not aware of any such arrangement where the tenant owns what the landlord is trying to collect on, are you?
    I'm as much of an owner of the land in question as the rancher is. We've collectively given the BLM the responsibility of administering the property.

    and I don't want my land being used by a deadbeat who thinks he has all the property rights and I have none.
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