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Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

beefheart said:
Seriously....do the barest bit of research...really.

You have the entire interwebs in front of you.

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love it
teabaggers: "women up front"
meanwhile john wayne is rolling in his cowboy grave
 
justabubba said:
love it
teabaggers: "women up front"
meanwhile john wayne is rolling in his cowboy grave
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Bunch of freaking cowards hiding behind skirts.
 
NIMBY said:
So you defend the Bundy Militia Plan of putting women in front of armed militiamen on horseback as "selective reporting"? :lamo
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Defend? No, but the women were involved with the plan....they weren't tools being used as people here are trying to paint.

What in the hell does a retired sheriff have to do with coming up with the plan?
Why should other ranchers pay their fees?
Why are GOPs such tax scofflaws ?
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This has nothing to do with Taxes.
 
beefheart said:
Richard Mack has been one of the patriot movement militia tea party whack-a-doos for many years now. He is a leader of the kooks.

There is little question that Mack has been an important player in the resurgence of the Patriot movement, which has seen its numbers mushroom from 149 groups in 2008, the year President Obama was elected, to 1,274 by the end of 2011. His ideas, which include a heavy emphasis on state sovereignty, resonate with the armed militias and others in the broader movement, in addition to racist extremists across the radical right who chafe at federal laws protecting minorities from hate crimes and discrimination.

While Mack shakes his fist at the federal government and wants to devolve virtually all power to state and local governments, he says he does not favor violence. But his rhetoric is certainly confrontational and seems to fuel the passions of extremists as well as audiences closer to the mainstream. He once said he prayed for the day when a sheriff would be the “first one to fire the next shot around the world and arrest a couple of IRS agents.”

To the Tea Party activists who delight in his pugilistic attitude toward the government they distrust, Mack may seem like a natural ally. But some analysts say the ideas he is helping to transmit from the fringes of the radical right into the mainstream of conservative thought are extreme and, perhaps, dangerous.

“Ever since the notion of the supremacy of the county sheriff became popularized, it has continued to remain attractive — though when people hear it, they don’t understand that what is behind it is violent lawlessness and vigilantism,” said Daniel Levitas, author of The Terrorist Next Door, a book that chronicles the racist underpinnings of the militia movement of the 1990s. “That’s what Richard Mack stands for when you strip all the window dressing away: lawlessness and vigilantism

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/winter/resurrection
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Sheriff Mack Announces Lawsuit Against SPLC, Run for Congress
 
beefheart said:
So is having a bunch of goobers showing up with guns wanting to kill BLM agents.

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The BLM's tactics were over the top, heavy handed, and ridiculously oppressive while at the same time being completely unnecessary. This is exactly the type of activity the founding fathers had in mind when including the right to bear arms in the bill of rights. Protection against an over-powerful, and heavy handed, central government. It worked.
 
Bigfoot 88 said:
The cowards are the agents who would be willing to shoot women. Hence the strategy.
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Silly, it's only a good tactic when Palestinians, or Arabs in Iraq do it and US soldiers can be demonized...
 
Bigfoot 88 said:
The cowards are the agents who would be willing to shoot women. Hence the strategy.
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The cowards are the militia bumpkins hiding behind human shields in order to defend some "sovereign citizen" jerkoff who thinks he can graze on public land without paying grazing fees. And while you guys may sympathize with the rancher, legally, he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

I also love how the right wing has been pushing this meme that ranchers like Bundy are real salt-of-the-earth, rugged, independent people who don't ask for anything from the government. From the ridiculously low grazing fees to agricultural exemptions that lower their property taxes significantly, to all sorts of handouts in case of emergencies (drought relief, low-interest loans, emergency cattle feed programs), to federally placed and maintained fencing, cattle ranching is one big fat welfare system.
 
Kobie said:
The cowards are the militia bumpkins hiding behind human shields in order to defend some "sovereign citizen" jerkoff who thinks he can graze on public land without paying grazing fees. And while you guys may sympathize with the rancher, legally, he doesn't have a leg to stand on.
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First, no one hid behind human shileds, Second, the shields elected to be shields as fully involved participants.

I also love how the right wing has been pushing this meme that ranchers like Bundy are real salt-of-the-earth, rugged, independent people who don't ask for anything from the government. From the ridiculously low grazing fees to agricultural exemptions that lower their property taxes significantly, to all sorts of handouts in case of emergencies (drought relief, low-interest loans, emergency cattle feed programs), to federally placed and maintained fencing, cattle ranching is one big fat welfare system.
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Ah, so it would be more...honorable...to sit on your couch, smoke some weed and collect food stamps?
 
mac said:
First, no one hid behind human shileds, Second, the shields elected to be shields as fully involved participants.
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Then they're morons.

mac said:
Ah, so it would be more...honorable...to sit on your couch, smoke some weed and collect food stamps?
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Which, of course, nobody said or even implied, but kudos for bringing up more irrelevant bull****.
 
Kobie said:
Then they're morons.
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Like the Black Panthers, Kent State Students...etc...those morons?

Which, of course, nobody said or even implied, but kudos for bringing up more irrelevant bull****.
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I respond in kind.
 
Kobie said:
"sovereign citizen" jerkoff
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How dare we don't all bow to big authoritarian government masters...

to federally placed and maintained fencing
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I believe that the federal government is mandated to maintain the fencing around the land they claim to own....
 
mac said:
Like the Black Panthers, Kent State Students...etc...those morons?
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The Kent State students didn't dredge up a bunch of militia hicks to threaten federal officials. I'm not sure to what Black Panthers incident you're referring.
 
j-mac said:
How dare we don't all bow to big authoritarian government masters...
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Yes, because clearly the only alternative to the "sovereign citizen" movement is "bowing to big authoritarian government masters." Could you be more shamelessly dishonest?

j-mac said:
I believe that the federal government is mandated to maintain the fencing around the land they claim to own....
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And they maintain a lot more than that.
 
Kobie said:
Yes, because clearly the only alternative to the "sovereign citizen" movement is "bowing to big authoritarian government masters." Could you be more shamelessly dishonest?
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False dichotomy, set up by you in this thread....Get a mirror, then get a clue.

And they maintain a lot more than that.
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What? YOU JUST MOCKED conservatives for "I also love how the right wing has been pushing this meme that ranchers like Bundy are real salt-of-the-earth, rugged, independent people who don't ask for anything from the government. From the ridiculously low grazing fees to agricultural exemptions that lower their property taxes significantly, to all sorts of handouts in case of emergencies (drought relief, low-interest loans, emergency cattle feed programs), to federally placed and maintained fencing, cattle ranching is one big fat welfare system."

Now you want to play like you didn't say that? Talk about dishonest....(mirror time)
 
Kobie said:
The Kent State students didn't dredge up a bunch of militia hicks to threaten federal officials. I'm not sure to what Black Panthers incident you're referring.
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They all stood in defiance of the govt, some armed, some not. The BLM's action were oppressive and unnecessary. I applaud those Americans who stood up against that. Even if Bundy is in the wrong for not paying the fees, the BLM's response was unnecessarily aggressive.
 
j-mac said:
False dichotomy, set up by you in this thread....Get a mirror, then get a clue.
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Wrong, D-minus, see me after class.

j-mac said:
What? YOU JUST MOCKED conservatives for "I also love how the right wing has been pushing this meme that ranchers like Bundy are real salt-of-the-earth, rugged, independent people who don't ask for anything from the government. From the ridiculously low grazing fees to agricultural exemptions that lower their property taxes significantly, to all sorts of handouts in case of emergencies (drought relief, low-interest loans, emergency cattle feed programs), to federally placed and maintained fencing, cattle ranching is one big fat welfare system."

Now you want to play like you didn't say that? Talk about dishonest....(mirror time)
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Um, that's not what I was saying at all. Learn to read.
 
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mac said:
They all stood in defiance of the govt, some armed, some not. The BLM's action were oppressive and unnecessary. I applaud those Americans who stood up against that. Even if Bundy is in the wrong for not paying the fees, the BLM's response was unnecessarily aggressive.
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There is a world of difference between "standing in defiance of the government" and openly threatening federal employees.

The Kent State students were armed?
 
mac said:
They all stood in defiance of the govt, some armed, some not. The BLM's action were oppressive and unnecessary. I applaud those Americans who stood up against that. Even if Bundy is in the wrong for not paying the fees, the BLM's response was unnecessarily aggressive.
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You do realize his cattle were on government lands when they were seized, right? So, he was in the process of committing a crime knowingly, and they wanted to stop him. As they should.

I still don't get why people are defending this asshat...
 
Kobie said:
Wrong, D-minus, see me after class.



Um, that's not what I saw saying at all. Learn to read.
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Good God....You must really think people are dumb....You said that conservatives were standing behind the narrative of a guy set up to look like a rugged individual, that relies on government handouts to keep his cattle ranch going....That included what you said was FENCING....I simply point out that was mandated, and you tried to make it seem like that was something you were painting as a "handout"....You're full of it buddy.
 
Tettsuo said:
You do realize his cattle were on government lands when they were seized, right? So, he was in the process of committing a crime knowingly, and they wanted to stop him. As they should.

I still don't get why people are defending this asshat...
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Because he fits their narrative of a tyrannical government trying to control their lives.

Any excuse to act like some glorious patriot revolutionary.
 
Kobie said:
There is a world of difference between "standing in defiance of the government" and openly threatening federal employees.
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There is a world of difference between threatening federal employees and responding to threatening federal employees.

The Kent State students were armed?
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You don't know much about history...or reading comprehension....do you?
 
Tettsuo said:
You do realize his cattle were on government lands when they were seized, right? So, he was in the process of committing a crime knowingly, and they wanted to stop him. As they should.
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He was not ordered, to my knowledge, to cease grazing, and the cattle were not being siezed for violating such an order. The cattle were being seized for back debt. There is a difference, he was not committing a crime.

I still don't get why people are defending this asshat...
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Because he stood up to an overzealous BLM.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Because he fits their narrative of a tyrannical government trying to control their lives.

Any excuse to act like some glorious patriot revolutionary.
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like the weathermen underground?
 
j-mac said:
Good God....You must really think people are dumb....You said that conservatives were standing behind the narrative of a guy set up to look like a rugged individual, that relies on government handouts to keep his cattle ranch going....That included what you said was FENCING....I simply point out that was mandated, and you tried to make it seem like that was something you were painting as a "handout"....You're full of it buddy.
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What I meant was that the federal government maintains more than just fence around federal lands. Now, I don't know if you realize this, but fences have two sides. If private land abuts federal land, guess who maintains the fence? Comes in kind of happy when the guy with private land has livestock that would cost him a lot of money if it wandered off.

But really, if all you can do is hinge on the fencing issue as if it debunks my entire argument, then you've really got nothing.
 
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