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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    As the "feds" were there before there was state, I don't believe any state land was seized. Show me otherwise or stop making false statements
    Umm...do you know how states become states?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Thought people might be interested in this quote directly from one of the participants. It seems there is more to the story than being reported.




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    I have had people ask me to explain my dadís stance on this BLM fight. Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it s in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the survival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars. The rights to the land use are called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the Bureau of Land Management.
    They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repairs and improvements of the ranches. My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these monies against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with theyíre own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penance he said no thanks and then fired them because they werenít doing their job. He quit paying the BLM and tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down. So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes.
    In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well when buying him out didnít work, they used the endangered species card. Youíve already heard about the desert tortoise. Well that didnít work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. Now theyíre desperate. Itís come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the Constitution of the United States of America. Then thereís the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasnít paid them, those cattle belong to him, regardless of where they are they are my fatherís property.
    His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even existed. Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dadís signature on it. They think they can take them over two borders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfield Auction and sell them. All this with our tax money. They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars. See how slick they are?"
    Sounds completely reasonable to me.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Doesn't matter now, the standoff is over. But the perpetrator of the crime owes the federal government over one million dollars in grazing fees, fines and interest. If he paid that, America could pay some interest on our huge deficit.
    You mean pay down debt, which would never happen. An alternative would be getting rid of the BLM, thus saving 1.5 billion.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    You mean pay down debt, which would never happen. An alternative would be getting rid of the BLM, thus saving 1.5 billion.
    Really?
    Doesn't Uncle Sam collect fees for grazing and mining rights on the land we all own? I know they charge a small fee for parking and recreational use. Add it all up, and we should be making money from our land. If not, then we need to raise the fees and make sure that they're collected, even if it means evicting a few cattle now and again.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Actually, that is not the case....

    "BUNKERVILLE, Nevada (Reuters) - U.S. officials ended a stand-off with hundreds of armed protesters in the Nevada desert on Saturday, calling off the government's roundup of cattle it said were illegally grazing on federal land and giving about 300 animals back to the rancher who owned them."

    http://www.newsweek.com/us-officials...n-bundy-246038
    Then you issue is with the link that I provided.



    Well, that's not true....I suspect that the resolution of damaged property will be determined by the courts...If I were him, I'd argue that the equipment and fencing that they destroyed was worth $1 million dollars...
    Even the Bundy's admit that whatever improvements they do to public property isnt theirs that they dont own it the public does.

    Bull ****. Unless you believe that the government is all powerful, and has the right to just declare themselves masters of the land, and you now need pay them protection like the mob, then you AND the several liberal judges he has lost in court with are just wrong....People won't stand for this type of totalitarian authoritarianism.
    If you dont pay grazing fees you cannot put stock on public property. Is that too hard too understand? if I were to take some cattle and let them loose on BLM property I wouldnt expect that I could easily get them back if I had not gone through the proper channels. laws and rules exist so that people dont take advantage of public property and exploit it. Perhaps you believe that everyone should be able to just go graze their animals on public lands? If so we would quickly end up with nothing to graze.


    The state is whom this family has dealt with for over a hundred and fifty years, since the early to mid 1800s on this land. Now all the sudden because some granola munching, bleeding heart is willing to be used as a useful idiot for Harry Reid and his corrupt money making scheme on the land he gets to kick this farmer out, destroy his stuff, and steal his cattle? And you agree with it? Ughhhhh, what have we come to in this country.
    None of this is new where have you been under a rock?

    For the record I dont like Reid, I am not a environmentalist, or a leftist, liberal, nor do I think that anyone is stealing cattle.


    They won. The government thugs backed down, and you didn't even get the resolution right in your opening statement of this post, so I wouldn't say they are they ones 'ignorant' here.
    No the BLM ceased because a bunch of thugs showed up with guns intending to use them. The legal aspect didnt go away. Bundy will be in court soon you can bet on it.



    What? Even this statement doesn't make sense...You want them to use their weapons, but you don't want anyone to get hurt?.....How is that possible, outside the early Hollywood 'B' movies that is?
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    Nah, this won't fade away, it will in the News, but behind the scenes "enviro-Nazi's" and corrupt politicans like "Dirty" Harry Reid will continue to bully people like this when they want something...

    "But an official with an environmental group that had notified the government it would sue unless federal land managers sought to protect tortoises on the grazing allotment used by Bundy's cattle expressed outrage at the end of the cattle roundup."

    http://www.newsweek.com/us-officials...n-bundy-246038

    And fools like the Sierra club that I suspect is this "unnamed official" with the enviro group will continue to have an incestuous relationship with the EPA to bully citizens and strong arm them out of their rights....They aren't 'green', they're red....Communist red.
    "enviro-Nazi's" lol shouldnt that be enviro-commies?

    So really the actual actions of Cliven Bundy are of no concern as long as you can attack the Left? You made sure to mention Harry Reid a couple times and even brought up the EPA to make sure that this was a good hyper-partisan rant I guess. translated you sound more like "Those damn others!" Yes I know its all a big conspiracy by the left to make this a commie state right?

    My guess is that you never heard of the Homestead act of 1862. Bundy Ranch is 160 acres and Cliven admits that the cattle are on public property and not his own property. In order for the budy's to homestead in the first place they had to agree to the terms offered by our government. Those terms are admition that the property was all government owned property to start with. So therefor the property in Clark County was owned by the Governemt prior to the Bundy's cattle operations that started in 1887. Either the Bundy's are morons or what are they up to?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Really?
    Doesn't Uncle Sam collect fees for grazing and mining rights on the land we all own? I know they charge a small fee for parking and recreational use. Add it all up, and we should be making money from our land. If not, then we need to raise the fees and make sure that they're collected, even if it means evicting a few cattle now and again.
    These enforcements, along with eminent domain laws, have pretty much removed the power from the people and put it in the hands of the government.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    As the "feds" were there before there was state, I don't believe any state land was seized. Show me otherwise or stop making false statements
    Its an opinion, thus it cant be proven true or false. So no need to be insulting. Also, the 'feds' weren't there first. Native americans were. Then the Spanish, then Mexicans, then American citizens. At the time of statehood, the land was owned by free people, who chose to join the Union. They did not put in their constitution any land ownership for the federal govt, and since the bill of rights prohibits the federal govt from taking land for such purposes, its illegal.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing | Fox News



    I hope these federal agents don't go full retard over some cattle grazing. Helicopters? Really?
    The guy is a deadbeat. This desert turtle this is just a stupid talking point because it was legal to graze when he stopped paying. The moment he stopped paying fees he lost any right to graze his cattle on PUBLIC lands. It would be like me not paying rent for five years and then complaining that they want to turn the property into a casino.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Really?
    Doesn't Uncle Sam collect fees for grazing and mining rights on the land we all own? I know they charge a small fee for parking and recreational use. Add it all up, and we should be making money from our land. If not, then we need to raise the fees and make sure that they're collected, even if it means evicting a few cattle now and again.
    Or, since those activites are unconstitutional, cease such actions and save the citizens money regulating things they have no right to regulate. How are you a libertarian again?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    These enforcements, along with eminent domain laws, have pretty much removed the power from the people and put it in the hands of the government.
    You mean the power of the people to use public lands any way they want without paying any fees?
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