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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    This part of J-Mac's is just loaded with the type of hyperbole that some folks just know to be TRUE
    The state is whom this family has dealt with for over a hundred and fifty years, since the early to mid 1800s on this land. Now all the sudden because some granola munching, bleeding heart is willing to be used as a useful idiot for Harry Reid and his corrupt money making scheme on the land he gets to kick this farmer out, destroy his stuff, and steal his cattle? And you agree with it? Ughhhhh, what have we come to in this country.
    1867 is now "early to mid 1800s"?

    "all of a sudden" is what you call proceedings that have taken place over the past twenty years?

    Just what does "Harry Reid and his corrupt money making scheme" have to do with the BLM land in question?

    Why are the righties and "true patriots" supporting a guy who is refusing to pay what amounts to a tax for using public land? They so often seem to be screaming about the "moochers and takers" getting free stuff and not paying taxes - don't they see this guy is taking a whole lot more than most poor folks in this country?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Except if it's federal land in ANY STATE.

    I know of ranchers in New Mexico who lease land from the USDA ( U.S. Forest Service ) for their cattle to graze upon.

    If you pay, you stay, if you don't, you won't.

    DOI: BLM: Livestock Grazing



    2. WESTERN PUBLIC LANDS AS AN EXAMPLE
    It isn't federal land legally. The federal govt was never given the power by the states to seize state land for these purposes.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This part of J-Mac's is just loaded with the type of hyperbole that some folks just know to be TRUE


    1867 is now "early to mid 1800s"?

    "all of a sudden" is what you call proceedings that have taken place over the past twenty years?

    Just what does "Harry Reid and his corrupt money making scheme" have to do with the BLM land in question?

    Why are the righties and "true patriots" supporting a guy who is refusing to pay what amounts to a tax for using public land? They so often seem to be screaming about the "moochers and takers" getting free stuff and not paying taxes - don't they see this guy is taking a whole lot more than most poor folks in this country?
    Clearly, the right wing is supporting squatters' rights.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    It isn't federal land legally. The federal govt was never given the power by the states to seize state land for these purposes.
    Doesn't matter now, the standoff is over. But the perpetrator of the crime owes the federal government over one million dollars in grazing fees, fines and interest. If he paid that, America could pay some interest on our huge deficit.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Clearly, the right wing is supporting squatters' rights.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Clearly, the right wing is supporting squatters' rights.
    Hard righties always go to extremes.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Actually, that is not the case....

    "BUNKERVILLE, Nevada (Reuters) - U.S. officials ended a stand-off with hundreds of armed protesters in the Nevada desert on Saturday, calling off the government's roundup of cattle it said were illegally grazing on federal land and giving about 300 animals back to the rancher who owned them."

    http://www.newsweek.com/us-officials...n-bundy-246038



    Well, that's not true....I suspect that the resolution of damaged property will be determined by the courts...If I were him, I'd argue that the equipment and fencing that they destroyed was worth $1 million dollars...



    Bull ****. Unless you believe that the government is all powerful, and has the right to just declare themselves masters of the land, and you now need pay them protection like the mob, then you AND the several liberal judges he has lost in court with are just wrong....People won't stand for this type of totalitarian authoritarianism.



    The state is whom this family has dealt with for over a hundred and fifty years, since the early to mid 1800s on this land. Now all the sudden because some granola munching, bleeding heart is willing to be used as a useful idiot for Harry Reid and his corrupt money making scheme on the land he gets to kick this farmer out, destroy his stuff, and steal his cattle? And you agree with it? Ughhhhh, what have we come to in this country.



    They won. The government thugs backed down, and you didn't even get the resolution right in your opening statement of this post, so I wouldn't say they are they ones 'ignorant' here.



    What? Even this statement doesn't make sense...You want them to use their weapons, but you don't want anyone to get hurt?.....How is that possible, outside the early Hollywood 'B' movies that is?



    Nah, this won't fade away, it will in the News, but behind the scenes "enviro-Nazi's" and corrupt politicans like "Dirty" Harry Reid will continue to bully people like this when they want something...

    "But an official with an environmental group that had notified the government it would sue unless federal land managers sought to protect tortoises on the grazing allotment used by Bundy's cattle expressed outrage at the end of the cattle roundup."

    http://www.newsweek.com/us-officials...n-bundy-246038

    And fools like the Sierra club that I suspect is this "unnamed official" with the enviro group will continue to have an incestuous relationship with the EPA to bully citizens and strong arm them out of their rights....They aren't 'green', they're red....Communist red.
    Thought people might be interested in this quote directly from one of the participants. It seems there is more to the story than being reported.




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    I have had people ask me to explain my dadís stance on this BLM fight. Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it s in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the survival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars. The rights to the land use are called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the Bureau of Land Management.
    They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repairs and improvements of the ranches. My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these monies against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with theyíre own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penance he said no thanks and then fired them because they werenít doing their job. He quit paying the BLM and tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down. So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes.
    In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well when buying him out didnít work, they used the endangered species card. Youíve already heard about the desert tortoise. Well that didnít work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. Now theyíre desperate. Itís come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the Constitution of the United States of America. Then thereís the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasnít paid them, those cattle belong to him, regardless of where they are they are my fatherís property.
    His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even existed. Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dadís signature on it. They think they can take them over two borders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfield Auction and sell them. All this with our tax money. They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars. See how slick they are?"
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    It isn't federal land legally. The federal govt was never given the power by the states to seize state land for these purposes.
    As the "feds" were there before there was state, I don't believe any state land was seized. Show me otherwise or stop making false statements
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    while this might be the case it is some cattle and they are basically sending in an army. can we say overkill?
    It was an army. People can call it whatever you want but the feds sent an army that day.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    It was an army. People can call it whatever you want but the feds sent an army that day.
    Yes, against its own citizens. This standoff has ended...but will there be another?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Who's "grasping"? Jones's site was linked on Drudge, and I followed the link. But in answer to your question, the blogosphere is talking about it, and here's a link from NRO: Nevada Ranch Standoff Escalates, Questions about Reid Arise | National Review Online

    Meanwhile, were you serious when you posted that you hoped guns would be used against citizens and that this would be "entertaining"?
    Dude I hope that the militias use their guns, not the feds wtf?

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