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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Do you endorse breaking the law?
    Even when it's a state law/state's rights.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Do you endorse breaking the law?
    Even when it's a state law/state's rights.

    Parabolic extension to the absurd with using atrocities connected with feeding children and sheltering homeless.
    A petty bush-league tactic .
    Ahh...you didn't understand what I meant.

    The use of force, and the show of force was completely unnecessary for this event. If a kid skateboarding in a area off limits to skateboarding, you don't involve the swat team. This was a clear show of force by the BLM. Completely unnecessary. This should be handled by the courts and our legal system. I know what you are going to say...
    BLM and (the National Park Service) have made repeated attempts to resolve this matter administratively and judicially
    So is our legal system failed? This isn't exactly a drug cartel. This is a guy with cows. He opens a gate and they eat grass.

    You will notice he no problem paying his grazing fees to Clark County. He also feels his family owns this property. This clearly should be settled in court. There was no need for a "military" type operation on grazing cattle.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

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    Seems like a significant overkill of force for this. Perfect area to consider budget cuts to. Clearly they have amble resources if they can dispatch such a large response to a cattle rancher.
    Now we know why the Feds feel the need to be equipped like the 2nd Armored Division.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    The federal government owns too much land in Nevada, it's ****ing outrageous. The governor should call out the national guard and seize it.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Seems like a significant overkill of force for this. Perfect area to consider budget cuts to. Clearly they have amble resources if they can dispatch such a large response to a cattle rancher.
    DHS probably wants to try out those millions of bullets they bought.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    I am guessing the rancher and the government officials are both refusing to compromise or budge. Which leads to things like this.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Things like this need to happen for anything to change. The federal govt was never given the power to seize state lands for the purpose of protecting animals. No one needs to be violent, but we do need lots of non compliance.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    So, he quit paying for the use or our land, then, when we decided not to allow cattle grazing, he kept using our land for that purpose anyway.

    Much like a tenant who quit paying rent, then, when the building was condemned to make way for a new freeway, kept living in the apartment anyway.

    Somehow, I fail to see why he should not be evicted.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing | Fox News



    I hope these federal agents don't go full retard over some cattle grazing. Helicopters? Really?

    I would grandfather his grazing privelages (not rights) in the area. In addition, I am not a big fan of overzealous endangered species laws.

    At the same time, I have little sympathy for this guy. The rancher exempted himself (surprise?) from paying not one, but five years worth of grazing fees before the ban on cattle. The "evil" Feds are not going "retard". Rather, they have been pretty patient.

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The federal government owns too much land in Nevada, it's ****ing outrageous. The governor should call out the national guard and seize it.
    Yea, and do what with it? Sell it on the open market? The Turner Foundation may well buy it and then these ranchers would have absolutely no access to it as it would be the private property of a more successful enterpreneur.

    The best solution would have been to simply:
    Grandfather this rancher's access to the land (he is third generation) at his historic use levels; but if and only if he pays the five back years of grazing fees.

    I hate paying toll fees on the roads that I use. Maybe I"ll just exempt myself... .
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    File this in the "wtf are we doing spending money to keep a guy from grazing his cattle in the middle of nowhere" bin.

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