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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So ranchers should just be able to do what they want for free according to you? Hell noone consulted me or my family about toll roads, so I guess I should just be able to blow passed them right?
    Ranchers were doing it for free until grazing fees were introduced in Taylor Grazing Act (1934). Also your claim of toll roads are in a different ball park for two reasons. 1) You don't have to use them unlike having to live in a region where 84% of the land for grazing is owned by Government 2) Toll roads are operated as a Build–operate–transfer. A private company gets rights to build a road and operate it receiving no public funding. The other is Public-Benefit Corporation which are given different tax status and only receive funds to expand service.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
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    A "farm" in a grassy eastern climate only needs a few acres of pasture to support livestock. You are completely disregarding the difference in the climate west of the Rockies.
    This has nothing to do with the topic.

    I have no problem in supporting personal peoples rights. the difference is that this guy is thwarting or trying to thwart the law.
    I also do not support the government putting in a national guard defense near this guys house.

    so there is some give and take.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Bottom line was, the longer this standoff went on, the closer to an absolute blood bath it was going to be. By all reports militia came pouring in, armed. No way the BLM nor LEO's were going to make this another Ruby Ridge and rightly so - especially not over grazing rights.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    That is dicy since the cattle were confiscated and moved for tresspassing. he will have to plead that case in court that the cows be
    returned or he is given fair compensation.

    of course they could rule that the cows are collatteral for the grazing that they did.

    what is left is basically court and the court is not going to side on his side and in fact they have ruled about 3 or 4 times against him.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    This has nothing to do with the topic.

    I have no problem in supporting personal peoples rights. the difference is that this guy is thwarting or trying to thwart the law.
    I also do not support the government putting in a national guard defense near this guys house.

    so there is some give and take.
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    The "law" which is to say the Federal government has systematically over decades had a policy of discouraging both private and public use of BLM land through increased regulations and arbitrary fees and penalties. This is about control and the Feds want all of the control. Mining permits, grazing permits, drilling permits, logging permits are all less than they used to be. The BLM doesn't even allow you to put a dirt bike on a graded forest road in many places in the Sierras anymore. I'm not talking about off-road, I'm talking about dirt roads. This government doesn't want anyone or anything to use this land, not even wild burros and mustangs. They think they are saving the planet is what this is about. Ranchers, farmers, oilmen, miners and hunters are all EVIL. But your urbanite consumers on their city bicycle paths tweeting about Lady Gaga on their way to a local save the chickens rally are all saints.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It is public land. Whether it is state or federal is immaterial. The BLM is the
    manager of the land. Anyway, where do you come by the info that it is state owned?

    Here's some more about Bundy the Freeloader and his so called "range war":
    Oh BS.

    Then why the false narrative about the "endangered" desert tortoise ?

    Why would the FED need to use the narrative about some poor tutles if the BLMs rights over all public land were absolute ?


    You people need ro remember what happened the last time the Fed armied up to against American citizens.

    WACO happened.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
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    The "law" which is to say the Federal government has systematically over decades had a policy of discouraging both private and public use of BLM land through increased regulations and arbitrary fees and penalties. This is about control and the Feds want all of the control. Mining permits, grazing permits, drilling permits, logging permits are all less than they used to be. The BLM doesn't even allow you to put a dirt bike on a graded forest road in many places in the Sierras anymore. I'm not talking about off-road, I'm talking about dirt roads. This government doesn't want anyone or anything to use this land, not even wild burros and mustangs. They think they are saving the planet is what this is about. Ranchers, farmers, oilmen, miners and hunters are all EVIL. But your urbanite consumers on their city bicycle paths tweeting about Lady Gaga on their way to a local save the chickens rally are all saints.
    Saving the Planet is just a false narrative.

    Its about Contorl and revenue.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I wonder if it includes paying for the cattle they stole and the property they damaged.
    Actually in the same article that I linked BLM offered to give Bundy some money from the auction. ANd anything that Bundy put on public property was a gift from him to us.

    Bundy gave away his cattle when he decided for personal reasons that he would no longer pay grazing fees to the BLM. But he was stupid enough to believe that trying to pay the State and county grazing fees were going to save his stupid ass. The entire Bundy family seem a bit ignorant. I am hoping that they back their threats and use their guns to settle this, it would be very entertaining unless they actually hurt someone. But we both know that wont happen and this just fade away after Bundy makes his sell out deal final.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
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    A "farm" in a grassy eastern climate only needs a few acres of pasture to support livestock. You are completely disregarding the difference in the climate west of the Rockies.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This turf war is all about power, not about cattle or tortoise, and the kind of power the writers of the Constitution warned about and why they passed the 2nd Amendment. Now many arms of the government are getting their own SWAT teams. Another Waco waiting to happen.

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