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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Allowing a rancher to graze his cattle, that get turned into food to feed the country isn't, "giving it away". We're talking about animals eating grass, not a thousand acre strip mine.

    Something else I would like to point out, is that WE shell out millions to row farmers, that don't harvest half of what they plant and don't plant half the land they own. I know of land owners in Louisiana that collect subsidies on land that hasn't seen a plow in 40 years. And the Feds want to roll out an infantry division to take this dude's cattle over some nickel-n-dime grazing fees?
    And people graze cattle in the national forests and BLM land here in California. Although those cattle help to feed us all, the owners still pay a fee for the use of that land, as they should. They get it back in the end when we pay for our steak. Beef isn't free, either.

    What we need are fewer subsidies, not more. Those Louisiana farmers that collect subsidies you mention need to have their free money supply shut off as well.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    If you don't like the regulation, gather like minded Americans to change the rule. If you can't muster enough takers...accept your lot in life.
    What the big mouth 3% that aint going to do **** with the "shtf"? No thanks, I got mine and plan to keep it.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    It has been Mr Bundy's words which have caused the government's reaction. He has threatened armed revolt since the BLM said "Enough! We are taking the cattle which are wandering on federal lands." I had started another thread on this topic but there aren't so many replying to it. Obviously some folks just jump in at the end of a topic without reading any background links. Bundy has said that "maybe 500 of the cows are mine", that is they have his brand on them but there are an additional 400 plus without brands or ear tags in the same area.

    This dispute has been going on for 20 years. That doesn't seem to be the actions of an autocratic, oppressive government to me. The feds have tried to negotiate the situation for years but this clown seems to believe that simply because his cows have been wandering around on the 600,000 acres for all these years, the land is now his. Is that really the libertarian attitude?
    His? He is not the one claiming domain there. You really dont know what is going on out there do you?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    His? He is not the one claiming domain there. You really dont know what is going on out there do you?
    Dont worry Bundy made a deal with the Sheriff.

    BREAKING NEWS: BLM ends roundup of Bundy cattle - 8 News NOW

    "Sheriff Gillespie has been negotiating with Bundy behind the scenes for months reached a tentative agreement Friday night, though Bundy insisted the sheriff come to his ranch to finalize the arrangement face-to-face.

    The two men meet Saturday to discuss the agreement prior to a public announcement."

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    except that the county doesn't own the land either. It's like saying to your landlord, "No, I'm not going to pay you because I don't like what you're doing with the money. I'll pay Sam over here instead."
    Not fed land either. It belongs to the state. He paid his state fees. So your analogy fails.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Dont worry Bundy made a deal with the Sheriff.

    BREAKING NEWS: BLM ends roundup of Bundy cattle - 8 News NOW

    "Sheriff Gillespie has been negotiating with Bundy behind the scenes for months reached a tentative agreement Friday night, though Bundy insisted the sheriff come to his ranch to finalize the arrangement face-to-face.

    The two men meet Saturday to discuss the agreement prior to a public announcement."
    I wonder if it includes paying for the cattle they stole and the property they damaged.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    I will leave this for everyone's reading pleasure:

    1) BLM is seeking to develop Solar farms in the area of Dry Lake: BLM Seeks Public Interest for Solar Energy Development in the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone

    2) Harry Reid has long been courting the Chinese to develop green energy farms in America: Dems help Chinese firm chase stimulus - Business - Going Green | NBC News

    3) In the original report by the BLM regarding the impacts of Bundy's cattle in the area they site "Non-Governmental concerns" on the development of solar farms in the area. That report has been taken down in the last few days from the BLM site, but it is cached here.

    So essentially what is going on here is that Reid has a solar energy farm project in the area and they decided that the "mitigation" site (ie. the place where they wouldn't be ruining the environment with a solar farm) would be Gold Butte and therefor the cattle had to go. It isn't about turtles but then that has always been obvious since the turtles and cows have been coexisting for 150 years.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    After reading the article...it seems they hit full retard 15 years ago.
    Maybe 20....

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not fed land either. It belongs to the state. He paid his state fees. So your analogy fails.
    BLM is federal, not that it matters. If Sam in my analogy is the state, it still doesn't work. It is the BLM that is administering the land, not the state of Nevada, not Bundy, not anyone else.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    It goes much deeper than the cattle.
    BUNDY stopped paying Federal fees for the LEGAL grazing of his cattle.
    That is about being a tax scofflaw.
    And then BUNDY hides behind the Constitution, as with the 16th amendmenters.

    The GOP House is now dabbling in this sort of thing.
    It is like them to give away the goodies of the USA for their buddies .
    Its NOT Federal Land, its STATE land.

    The FEDs are using a false narrative about a stupid turtle to build up revenues on land they dont even own.
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