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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    1. He stopped paying the federal fees five years before that.
    After they tried to limit the number of cattle which could be grazed on land his family and that of the other ranchers had been cultivating for that purpose for generations. These grazing areas wouldn't even exist if they hadn't because the area is a natural desert wasteland. The Taylor Grazing Act of 1934 was an act of theft in direct violation of the Constitution so I still maintain he owes nothing.

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    2. The land has been off-limits to cattle since 1998. He's not above the law.
    At the direction of a federal agency which has no legal claim to the land. If the federal government doesn't want him or any other ranchers grazing there then it should be compensating them not showing up with machine guns and sniper rifles to steal cattle and rough up the locals.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    We, the people, own quite a lot of land here in California, too. So what? Does that mean we should just give it away?
    Allowing a rancher to graze his cattle, that get turned into food to feed the country isn't, "giving it away". We're talking about animals eating grass, not a thousand acre strip mine.

    Something else I would like to point out, is that WE shell out millions to row farmers, that don't harvest half of what they plant and don't plant half the land they own. I know of land owners in Louisiana that collect subsidies on land that hasn't seen a plow in 40 years. And the Feds want to roll out an infantry division to take this dude's cattle over some nickel-n-dime grazing fees?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Allowing a rancher to graze his cattle, that get turned into food to feed the country isn't, "giving it away".
    Playing on emotion when one of yours is clearly breaking the law.
    And the Feds want to roll out an infantry division to take this dude's cattle over some nickel-n-dime grazing fees?
    The Ultra-Right-wing meme over not paying taxes has gotten completely out of control--I agree .
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Playing on emotion when one of yours is clearly breaking the law.

    The Ultra-Right-wing meme over not paying taxes has gotten completely out of control--I agree .
    It's funny how you people suddenly regard the law so inflexible.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Oh, and before y'all get too uptight about those stupid turtles...

    Desert Tortoises To Be Euthanized - CNN iReport
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Don't know if it is related, but I'm against ALL special handouts and aid to farmers. And I grew up on a poultry and cattle ranch (I still own it). I'll never forget how the price of feed went up dramatically every time the federal govt. tried to prop up the income of corn farmers.

    And personally, I sick of the ridiculous idea that it is the governments job to help "maintain this way of life" (supposedly of small farmers though it doesn't necessarily work out that way).

    People lose farms all the time. People lose businesses all the time. People lose jobs all the time. Why should the government make it their business to determine which one is a "treasured way of life" and another is "@%&$ happens" ?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    I *really* hope that gunplay does not go down.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    This is just another example of Harry Reid corruption....

    "In an apparent effort to cover its tracks, the BLM has reportedly removed documents from its website showing that the move to kick the Bundys and their cattle off of the land was at least in part due to the fact that their presence impeded development of solar energy on the land.

    Reid and his eldest son, reports indicate, were integral in the support and/or implementation of a $5 billion solar plant being built in the county by a Chinese company.

    Officially, the federal agency has suggested they are only after Bundy because his cattle are a threat to an endangered species of tortoise. That narrative, however, fell apart in the opinion of many critics when it was revealed the agency itself has engaged in the widespread slaughter of the animal.

    The recent allegations of Reid’s hand in the Bundy attack are bolstered by the fact that his former senior adviser also served as the director of the BLM. According to reports, Reid successfully redrew the endangered tortoise’s protected habitat to benefit a donor, indicating his concern is more about his political and financial future than the well-being of this reptile."


    Read more at Shocking Allegations Show Harry Reid, Chinese Company Behind Nevada Ranch Standoff

    So, "Dirty" Harry Reid strikes again....$5 billion from the Chinese, and redrawing the lines to benefit a political donor, coupled with an ex-staffer, and his own son in positions of power, and screw the little guy.....

    Reid is a pathetic waste of human skin. The quicker he ceases to be a part of this countries process, the better.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    After they tried to limit the number of cattle which could be grazed on land his family and that of the other ranchers had been cultivating for that purpose for generations. These grazing areas wouldn't even exist if they hadn't because the area is a natural desert wasteland. The Taylor Grazing Act of 1934 was an act of theft in direct violation of the Constitution so I still maintain he owes nothing.
    When Congress passes US 43 sec. 315 it was not with this rancher, or cattlemen in mind, the act was passed to address leases on all public lands. The purpose of land use prior to 1934 is irrelevant.

    What do you contend is unconsitutional about US 43 sec. 315?



    At the direction of a federal agency which has no legal claim to the land. If the federal government doesn't want him or any other ranchers grazing there then it should be compensating them not showing up with machine guns and sniper rifles to steal cattle and rough up the locals.
    Does the rancher hold title to the land? If not, why should the federal government compensate the rancher for evicting him from the land?


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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Some misinformation here. He refused to pay BLM because they were using that money to force other ranchers out of the business in that area in the name of a tortoise. He offered to pay the county government the grazing fees and they declined to accept the funds. So it's not like he's avoiding taxes. He just not gonna pay BLM who is uses those fees to buy out ranchers.. this is a principle thing.
    except that the county doesn't own the land either. It's like saying to your landlord, "No, I'm not going to pay you because I don't like what you're doing with the money. I'll pay Sam over here instead."
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