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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Mr Bundy "offered to pay the county government" last year - some 20 years after he stopped paying the federales. Of course the county refused his payments, they don't own the land.
    Actually.. here are some facts for you... Federal Government claims he owes $1.1 million. $800,000 since 2011. Mr. Bundy offered the County $300,000 to pay the back fees for the time period of 1993-2011. The County actually maintains the lands via contract with BLM.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    The county doesn't own the land. What's wrong with being bought out? Oh, wait the situation is clear. He was jealous, that's why the Nevada cattleman association isn't defending this clown.
    What's wrong with being bought out? How about BLM comes in and only 50% in value while threatening to remove grazing right leases? So you are forced to take the 50% loss and BLM then leases that land to Oil companies for fracking and a solar power plant in the works that needs Gold Butte to offset "impacts" of the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone near Las Vegas. But you knew that didn't you?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    What's wrong with being bought out? How about BLM comes in and only 50% in value while threatening to remove grazing right leases? So you are forced to take the 50% loss and BLM then leases that land to Oil companies for fracking. Bet you didn't know that.
    A nice conspiracy theory, but this parasite stopped paying the fees 20 years ago long before fracking came to Nevada. Oh and most Nevada fracking is in the north not the south. Are you done embarrassing yourself or shall I continue?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    A nice conspiracy theory, but this parasite stopped paying the fees 20 years ago long before cracking came to Nevada. Oh and most Nevada cracking is in the north not the south. Are you done embarrassing yourself or shall I continue?
    It's not a conspiracy theory and I never said it was in Gold Butte specifically but BLM lands used by Ranchers in northen Nevada. I actually have facts on my side and I got more for you.

    You've heard of Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone, right? Gold Butte is gonna be used as "Preserve" (mitigation) to off set the land damage to build the Dry Lake Solar plant which was involves a guy named Rory Reid, you know Harry Reid's son. Father and Son were behind that deal.

    The BLM claim is Bundy hasn't paid any fees. But Clark County who has grazing rights leases for that land with him that pre-date BLM is being paid by Mr. Bundy.

    This is a political fight between Harry Reid and his cohorts against a rancher who doesn't want to kowtow to a $5 billion solar plant.

    But don't let me embarrass you too much. I got a lot more of corruption going on here.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    I'm not all that sympathetic to the guy. His cattle are grazing on federal government land (which technically belongs to all of us). This is not some kind of eminent domain abuse situation like other govt. land grabs. He wants to run his cattle on federal land, pay the fees. They aren't very high compared to what a private land market would be.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    It's not a conspiracy theory and I never said it was in Gold Butte specifically but BLM lands used by Ranchers in northen Nevada. I actually have facts on my side and I got more for you.

    You've heard of Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone, right? Gold Butte is gonna be used as "Preserve" (mitigation) to off set the land damage to build the Dry Lake Solar plant which was involves a guy named Rory Reid, you know Harry Reid's son. Father and Son were behind that deal.

    The BLM claim is Bundy hasn't paid any fees. But Clark County who has grazing rights leases for that land with him that pre-date BLM is being paid by Mr. Bundy.

    This is a political fight between Harry Reid and his cohorts against a rancher who doesn't want to kowtow to a $5 billion solar plant.

    But don't let me embarrass you too much. I got a lot more of corruption going on here.
    So ranchers should just be able to do what they want for free according to you? Hell noone consulted me or my family about toll roads, so I guess I should just be able to blow passed them right?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    It's not a conspiracy theory and I never said it was in Gold Butte specifically but BLM lands used by Ranchers in northen Nevada. I actually have facts on my side and I got more for you.

    You've heard of Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone, right? Gold Butte is gonna be used as "Preserve" (mitigation) to off set the land damage to build the Dry Lake Solar plant which was involves a guy named Rory Reid, you know Harry Reid's son. Father and Son were behind that deal.

    The BLM claim is Bundy hasn't paid any fees. But Clark County who has grazing rights leases for that land with him that pre-date BLM is being paid by Mr. Bundy.

    This is a political fight between Harry Reid and his cohorts against a rancher who doesn't want to kowtow to a $5 billion solar plant.

    But don't let me embarrass you too much. I got a lot more of corruption going on here.
    Your post should be in the "conspiracy" forum because it is really out there.

    Dry Lake Solar plant is in California and Rory Reid has no connection to it. The Center for Land Use Interpretation

    The Chinese deal that Rory Reid actually was involved in was canceled last year. Company dumps big Laughlin solar project, says market won

    Clark County purchased the grazing rights from the BLM in 1998 and removed the land covered from the local allotment of grazing lands Roundup of Trespassing Cattle Begins in Nevada Desert


    You may have "a lot more of corruption going on" but so far you are batting 0.000
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    I'm not all that sympathetic to the guy. His cattle are grazing on federal government land (which technically belongs to all of us). This is not some kind of eminent domain abuse situation like other govt. land grabs. He wants to run his cattle on federal land, pay the fees. They aren't very high compared to what a private land market would be.
    Precisely. This appears to me to be a case of a cattle rancher who thinks the law doesn't apply to him. A law he's been ignoring since 1998.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Precisely. This appears to me to be a case of a cattle rancher who thinks the law doesn't apply to him. A law he's been ignoring since 1998.
    The BLM sold the leasing rights to this land to Clark County in 1998 and, despite numerous attempts, Congress has yet to declare the Gold Butte federal land. Given those two facts, the only jurisdiction the BLM has is what Clarke County and the State of Nevada says they do. The federal government lost its "right" to collect on those lands when it sold the leasing rights So why should he pay the federal government a dime?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    The BLM sold the leasing rights to this land to Clark County in 1998 so why should he pay them a dime?
    1. He stopped paying the federal fees five years before that.

    2. The land has been off-limits to cattle since 1998. He's not above the law.

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