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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Using a road that was paid for by tax dollars is different than grazing cattle on family and public land. Hopefully this will be the spark that sets off the next revolt in this nation.
    I wish I could have seen the look on your face as your brain typed out family and public land. Those are two contradictory statements but you typed it out effortlessly. Orwell warned us about duckspeakers like you.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Exactly what is says. If the power isnt delegate to the US, then its the peoples. The govt doesnt have the power to control land in such a way, thus according to the 10th, the people DO.
    Except if it's federal land in ANY STATE.

    I know of ranchers in New Mexico who lease land from the USDA ( U.S. Forest Service ) for their cattle to graze upon.

    If you pay, you stay, if you don't, you won't.

    DOI: BLM: Livestock Grazing

    The Federal lease rate charged to ranchers is $1.35 (2007) per AUM (AUM = animal unit month = area (or amount of forage) used by one cow or 5 sheep or 1 cow+calf or one horse for a month). This works out to less than 5 cents per day (about what it costs to feed a hamster).
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Using a road that was paid for by tax dollars is different than grazing cattle on family and public land. Hopefully this will be the spark that sets off the next revolt in this nation.
    The issue is that he grazes the cattle on public, not private land. The rancher feels that as his family homesteaded in the area in 1867, he has a family connection to the land. This might well be so.

    It does not change the core point though: The rancher does not own the land and I dont own the toll road. Neither one of us can self exempt ourselves from paying the usage fee. I need to pay my road tolls, or find another road to travel. This guy to pay his user fees, or by a private ranch.

    As for this setting off the next revolt, many people have tried to self exempt themselves from paying taxes, or from following any number of laws they dont like. So far, these people have found little sympathy as most Americans can see the anarchy that would result from encouraging this.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    But no anarchy in what the government is doing? Oh, yea. Its tyranny and most are fine with that.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    But no anarchy in what the government is doing? Oh, yea. Its tyranny and most are fine with that.
    It has been Mr Bundy's words which have caused the government's reaction. He has threatened armed revolt since the BLM said "Enough! We are taking the cattle which are wandering on federal lands." I had started another thread on this topic but there aren't so many replying to it. Obviously some folks just jump in at the end of a topic without reading any background links. Bundy has said that "maybe 500 of the cows are mine", that is they have his brand on them but there are an additional 400 plus without brands or ear tags in the same area.

    This dispute has been going on for 20 years. That doesn't seem to be the actions of an autocratic, oppressive government to me. The feds have tried to negotiate the situation for years but this clown seems to believe that simply because his cows have been wandering around on the 600,000 acres for all these years, the land is now his. Is that really the libertarian attitude?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    It has been Mr Bundy's words which have caused the government's reaction. He has threatened armed revolt since the BLM said "Enough! We are taking the cattle which are wandering on federal lands." I had started another thread on this topic but there aren't so many replying to it. Obviously some folks just jump in at the end of a topic without reading any background links. Bundy has said that "maybe 500 of the cows are mine", that is they have his brand on them but there are an additional 400 plus without brands or ear tags in the same area.

    This dispute has been going on for 20 years. That doesn't seem to be the actions of an autocratic, oppressive government to me. The feds have tried to negotiate the situation for years but this clown seems to believe that simply because his cows have been wandering around on the 600,000 acres for all these years, the land is now his. Is that really the libertarian attitude?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, he quit paying for the use or our land, then, when we decided not to allow cattle grazing, he kept using our land for that purpose anyway.

    Much like a tenant who quit paying rent, then, when the building was condemned to make way for a new freeway, kept living in the apartment anyway.

    Somehow, I fail to see why he should not be evicted.
    Some misinformation here. He refused to pay BLM because they were using that money to force other ranchers out of the business in that area in the name of a tortoise. He offered to pay the county government the grazing fees and they declined to accept the funds. So it's not like he's avoiding taxes. He just not gonna pay BLM who is uses those fees to buy out ranchers.. this is a principle thing.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Some misinformation here. He refused to pay BLM because they were using that money to force other ranchers out of the business in that area in the name of a tortoise. He offered to pay the county government the grazing fees and they declined to accept the funds. So it's not like he's avoiding taxes. He just not gonna pay BLM who is uses those fees to buy out ranchers.. this is a principle thing.
    Mr Bundy "offered to pay the county government" last year - some 20 years after he stopped paying the federales. Of course the county refused his payments, they don't own the land.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    But no anarchy in what the government is doing? Oh, yea. Its tyranny and most are fine with that.
    If you don't like the regulation, gather like minded Americans to change the rule. If you can't muster enough takers...accept your lot in life.


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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    So it's not like he's avoiding taxes. He just not gonna pay BLM who is uses those fees to buy out ranchers.. this is a principle thing.
    The county doesn't own the land. What's wrong with being bought out? Oh, wait the situation is clear. He was jealous, that's why the Nevada cattleman association isn't defending this clown.
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