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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    You taking to libations this early today?

    Where do I have a negative opinion of cattle? I have a negative opinion of a lying, deadbeat, rancher who expects something for nothing because of a series of lies he tells about his lineage.

    Cattle are capable of great damage to fragile ecosystems- the SW has had irreparable damage done by over grazing of cattle. That isn't the cow's fault but the greedy bastard running them....
    Most ranchers who know Bundy dislike him quite a bit, and it's not disliking him for the comments he made either. But some people are willing to overlook the fact that other ranchers who know him dislike him for his shenanigans with the BLM.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And that is a fair point ditto...I have conceded that Bundy was/is in the wrong for not paying his fines not fees....He already have bought the permits, and the government wanted to take them away...

    It really would parallel my situation if:

    I had all of my permits, and tags, licencing, and inter state DOT numbers, and registrations paid for, and all of the sudden the government showed up at my door, and told me that I could no longer drive on the Interstate, because the "the Center for Prius integration" wanted to protect the highway system for hybrid cars...

    And then to make matters worse when I didn't agree to what the government was proposing, they came after me with SWAT....

    You think that is America? You think that is how things should work?
    It's more like you hadn't paid those things, had ignored several attempts to collect, had said you didn't believe that the Highway Patrol actually existed, and had passed up several weigh stations, thumbing your nose as you went, and then were shocked to see several black and whites behind you, lights on and sirens blaring.

    Yes, that's how things work in America, as well as in other modern nations. There are some where you'd simply pull off the road and offer the cop a few bucks, but then, that's not the sort of place I'd want to live.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    CON crap... using your silly dodge then no other laws should be enforced as long as illegal drugs still are manufactured in this country.

    The BLM doesn't enforce immigration, it protects of public lands... where does anyone's 'political leanings' figure into a lying, deadbeat man defying the law for decades- if anything he has gotten a pass other ranchers have not!

    Now did the President order the BLM to end the decades of lawbreaking Bundy engaged in? Why do CONs insist on dragging crap into the discussion????

    But typical CON deflection... Bundy's cattle are still free to graze, just not the protected area- and for that matter neither are the 'innocent pawn' children of illegal immigrants...
    Read the first sentence of the post to which you replied. It is you, not me, that condones selective federal law enforcement, regardless of the agency involved. Your selective poutrage is noted.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Read the post, to which you replied, again. Did I ever say, or imply, that Bundy should not be prevented from free grazing? Whether you break the law "publicly" should not be the criteria at all. The Bureau of Land Mismanagement, with an annual budget of over $1 billion, should not require 20 years to notice that a herd of cattle are present. I am not excusing Bundy's actions in the least, I am pointing out an extreme double standard in federal law enforcement.
    Sorry but if I broadcast that I am commiting a crime, it will get looked at faster than another crime. That isn't criteria, it isn't political, that's reality. This wasn't based on political leanings, this was based on the fact we had someone broadcasting they were commiting a crime. I guarantee you that if some ilelgal alien went to the media and said he was an illegal alien and said where they could find him, they would be going after him. Again, that isn't political, that's reality.

    I agree the feds went overboard with this and I don't think it was political, I think it was trying to send a message and for THAT reason they are wrong. This should have been handled like any other tax or fee issue and that would not include going out in force like they did.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    You taking to libations this early today?

    Where do I have a negative opinion of cattle? I have a negative opinion of a lying, deadbeat, rancher who expects something for nothing because of a series of lies he tells about his lineage.

    Cattle are capable of great damage to fragile ecosystems- the SW has had irreparable damage done by over grazing of cattle. That isn't the cow's fault but the greedy bastard running them....
    "Cows don't just occupy, they consume and trample"

    I dunno, seems a bit negative to me.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    "Cows don't just occupy, they consume and trample"

    I dunno, seems a bit negative to me.
    Cows do consume and trample. They also (bleep!) all over everything. There are places for raising cattle, and places where cattle should not be. There are no places where the numbers of cattle should be unlimited.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Cows do consume and trample. They also (bleep!) all over everything. There are places for raising cattle, and places where cattle should not be. There are no places where the numbers of cattle should be unlimited.
    I tend to agree but rarely if ever does a cattle rancher say this. I myself am against grazing cattle on arid BLM lands. The fragile ecosystem is being destroyed by thiese cows and things like the sage grouse are going extinct.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Most ranchers who know Bundy dislike him quite a bit, and it's not disliking him for the comments he made either. But some people are willing to overlook the fact that other ranchers who know him dislike him for his shenanigans with the BLM.
    Most excellent point, the Nevada Cattleman's Association isn't backing his claims (a VERY CONservative group), nor launching over heated rhetoric about the Gubmint, Obama, or turtles...

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I tend to agree but rarely if ever does a cattle rancher say this. I myself am against grazing cattle on arid BLM lands. The fragile ecosystem is being destroyed by thiese cows and things like the sage grouse are going extinct.
    Exactly, and evidently things like the desert tortoise as well. Of course a cattle rancher is going to be in favor of grazing cattle anywhere there is grass for them to eat, and wildlife be damned.

    And Bundy evidently thinks that he can run them for free on public land as well.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    "Cows don't just occupy, they consume and trample" I dunno, seems a bit negative to me.
    Well Pilgrim, I guess to a CONfused saw stroker the truth about cattle can seem negative. But to claim ranchers don't know what their cattle can do????

    But I doubt you know many ranchers, I never claimed to be a typical anything, but I do know some guys just take and some guys look to the future.

    Making asshats like Bundy obey the law doesn't hurt the industry a bit.

    Acknowledging animal husbandry means more than having a REAL friendly ewe doesn't hurt the industry a bit.

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