Page 130 of 142 FirstFirst ... 3080120128129130131132140 ... LastLast
Results 1,291 to 1,300 of 1412

Thread: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

  1. #1291
    Sage
    Dittohead not!'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    The Golden State
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:54 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    41,574

    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, I don't run cattle....I think it is clear in here what my profession is, I have stated it many times, so your snarky small minded attack is unwelcome.

    No, I am NOT clueless. I may not know all of the 'in's, and out's' of the system, but I can read, and I can look past the rhetoric and see what is going on here....It's about money.

    Let's not kid ourselves here, if Bundy had gone along and paid the fines, and fees, you wouldn't even know who the hell he was, and he, and his cattle would be grazing there today....So, yes, there is an amount of money that the Government mafia wanted as protection shakedown to keep him there....

    Your bringing up of the sale of permits between ranchers is irrelevant to this topic.

    The "tortoise" excuse is just that, an excuse....nothing more...You want the real people behind this crackdown on Bundy, look to the Sierra club, The Centers for Biological Diversity, and other like minded anti human activists...

    No one said that Bundy shouldn't pay his fees....Why do I have to keep repeating that to you people?
    If I recall correctly, you're an owner/operator of a truck. Now, that's an honorable occupation, and one with which we can draw some parallels with the practice of ranching on public lands.

    You, too, are dependent on public property, the highways. You, too, pay a fee for the use of that land both through taxes on diesel fuel and license fees. You, too, are subject to regulations including speed limits, areas closed to trucks, safety regulations, and weight limits.

    Now, were you to refuse to pay your license fees or abide by the regulations mentioned above, what would happen to your business?

    Why should Bundy's business be any different?
    "Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud... [he's] playing the American public for suckers." Mitt Romney

  2. #1292
    Paying To Play
    AJiveMan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    wisconSIN
    Last Seen
    05-15-15 @ 04:04 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,775

    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What are you talking about? The timeline in the WaPo gives a pretty accurate account, and I don't see where it says anything about the militia's getting there before the BLM, or even simultaneously....

    According to the article, The BLM started to round up Bundy's cattle on March 27th....Militia didn't start showing up until April 10th....As far as I know, it is pretty easy to get from one side of the country to the other in 4 days, much less 2 weeks...

    This is what I am talking about with progressive government supporters distorting the facts of this incident.

    Here is the article....Again.

    Everything you need to know about the long fight between Cliven Bundy and the federal government
    Nope. Read it again.

  3. #1293
    Sage

    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Florida
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    23,382

    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am always told that the WaPo is a credible source...If you have something disputing a part of the article, that certainly doesn't dismiss the rest of the timeline....See this is what happens here....You progressives love to take a factual lay out of a timeline like this one, and because the writer of the article possibly (I don't know for sure because you didn't offer anything in the form of proof to back up your remark) got a part of background off, then that is cause for you to dismiss the entire thing in favor of your own warped rhetoric....

    LOL indeed.
    Yes I dismiss all of his twisted logic for his illegal behavior. Anyone who refuses to recognize the Federal Govt. is a traitor.

  4. #1294
    Paying To Play
    AJiveMan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    wisconSIN
    Last Seen
    05-15-15 @ 04:04 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,775

    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Yes I dismiss all of his twisted logic for his illegal behavior. Anyone who refuses to recognize the Federal Govt. is a traitor.
    Moot brought up an interesting point either in this, or a different Bundy thread, is the fact that he has an American flag flying near where he was addressing a crowd of people.

    If he doesn't recognize the US Government, why is he flying the US flag?

    Shouldn't he be flying the don't tread on me flag?

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-S3hT8_fhJ8...+The+Grass.jpg

    http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesau...4/04/bilde.jpg

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/zingular...ticleLarge.jpg

    Shouldn't he be flying the confederate flag too?
    Last edited by AJiveMan; 04-27-14 at 03:07 PM.

  5. #1295
    Sage
    j-mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 09:18 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    30,322

    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Not being snarky- a man can have done more than one thing in his life- damn sure should have. You could have come from a ranching family, could have done a little ranch work going through school... you seem rather narrow minded in so many ways, AND you are totally clueless on the BLM, land management and grazing rates/costs.
    I've done a few things in my life yes....Ranching was not one of them...

    You seem woefully ignorant of the facts and want to run a CON game. The land Bundy was ILLEGALLY running cattle on has been CLOSED to grazing since the early 90's. IF the 'Gubmint' was running a shake down then they wouldn't have closed the range and wouldn't limit the number of permits they issue. If Bundy was a law abiding man he wouldn't be grazing his cattle on the CLOSED BLM land and yes we wouldn't know him from Adam's alley cat.
    Ok, here we go...With your "CON" game this, and "CON" game that, in your tired attempt to bait the thread, and hurl your pejorative crap....Why don't you knock it off and have a regular conversation?

    If it's all about the Benjamins then the permits would be AT LEAST fair market value of similar private range land...
    Actually, I went back and re read some of the early reports....This really isn't about Bundy not paying his grazing fees...You are correct that ranchers buy permits to graze their cattle on these lands, and when they purchase them, they own them, and the rights....In 1993, amidst a push from 'the Centers for Biological Diversity' the land use permits were bought back from ranchers in the area, and Bundy wouldn't sell his back. So, they closed the area, and started with fines....Yeah...I'd be pissed too.

    If it's all about the Benjamins then the permits would be AT LEAST fair market value of similar private range land...
    Not all about the Benjamins...It's also about the ability to use force to push citizens around, and effectively extending that power of government force in an agenda way to groups like 'the Centers for Biological Diversity', and other anti human nut cases.

    Yes the Conservationists are demanding the BLM enforce the court orders to remove Bundy cattle from CLOSED range land, but that is what the courts already decided. Since 1998 the courts have ruled Bundy needs to remove his cattle and he represented himself on appeal so he knows damn well what happened. Why do I have to keep repeating THAT to you people????
    You don't...I've already said that Bundy represented himself, and that as far as listening to him today, he may not have been competent to do so...And I have also said that he should have complied with the law, and court orders, and continued fighting....You just seem to display that unless I agree with everything you have to say, then you are going to place your fingers in your ears, and scream lalalalalalalala!

    I'm not taking issue with Bundy needs to pay his fines, YOU keep trying a lame CON game with that crap. Where I take issue with your CON crap is ANY thought on Bundy paying to run cattle on BLM land, and obeying the permit limit would have him still on the land CLOSED to grazing. Closed over 20 years ago BTW.
    Addressed earlier..."CON" game this, "CON" game that....again....You know I really do picture if I were talking with someone that uses this sort of tactic in real life, I would just walk away from, because nothing they say would have anything of value wort addressing...I really hope that you aren't like this in real life....

    It simply would not. Those grazing rights were bought up in 1993 and retired.
    Yeah...Just like the 'Mob' moving in....

    "knock...knock....knock....

    Hello

    Hi Mr Bundy, We are here from the government mob, and we are taking over all the land you've been using for grazing....Now, you can sell us the permits at a **** price, and go out of business like your neighbors, or we can just use the full force of the "mob" government to tie you up in court, drain your resources, harass you, and then in the end come on in with para military forces and possibly kill you and your family....Now, what's your decision...?
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

  6. #1296
    Sage
    j-mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 09:18 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    30,322

    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If I recall correctly, you're an owner/operator of a truck. Now, that's an honorable occupation, and one with which we can draw some parallels with the practice of ranching on public lands.

    You, too, are dependent on public property, the highways. You, too, pay a fee for the use of that land both through taxes on diesel fuel and license fees. You, too, are subject to regulations including speed limits, areas closed to trucks, safety regulations, and weight limits.

    Now, were you to refuse to pay your license fees or abide by the regulations mentioned above, what would happen to your business?

    Why should Bundy's business be any different?

    And that is a fair point ditto...I have conceded that Bundy was/is in the wrong for not paying his fines not fees....He already have bought the permits, and the government wanted to take them away...

    It really would parallel my situation if:

    I had all of my permits, and tags, licencing, and inter state DOT numbers, and registrations paid for, and all of the sudden the government showed up at my door, and told me that I could no longer drive on the Interstate, because the "the Center for Prius integration" wanted to protect the highway system for hybrid cars...

    And then to make matters worse when I didn't agree to what the government was proposing, they came after me with SWAT....

    You think that is America? You think that is how things should work?
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

  7. #1297
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    okla-freakin-homa
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:35 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    12,626

    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I've done a few things in my life yes....Ranching was not one of them... Ok, here we go...With your "CON" game this, and "CON" game that, in your tired attempt to bait the thread, and hurl your pejorative crap....Why don't you knock it off and have a regular conversation? Actually, I went back and re read some of the early reports....This really isn't about Bundy not paying his grazing fees...You are correct that ranchers buy permits to graze their cattle on these lands, and when they purchase them, they own them, and the rights....In 1993, amidst a push from 'the Centers for Biological Diversity' the land use permits were bought back from ranchers in the area, and Bundy wouldn't sell his back. So, they closed the area, and started with fines....Yeah...I'd be pissed too. Not all about the Benjamins...It's also about the ability to use force to push citizens around, and effectively extending that power of government force in an agenda way to groups like 'the Centers for Biological Diversity', and other anti human nut cases. You don't...I've already said that Bundy represented himself, and that as far as listening to him today, he may not have been competent to do so...And I have also said that he should have complied with the law, and court orders, and continued fighting....You just seem to display that unless I agree with everything you have to say, then you are going to place your fingers in your ears, and scream lalalalalalalala! Addressed earlier..."CON" game this, "CON" game that....again....You know I really do picture if I were talking with someone that uses this sort of tactic in real life, I would just walk away from, because nothing they say would have anything of value wort addressing...I really hope that you aren't like this in real life....

    Hello

    Hi Mr Bundy, We are here from the government mob, and we are taking over all the land you've been using for grazing....Now, you can sell us the permits at a **** price, and go out of business like your neighbors, or we can just use the full force of the "mob" government to tie you up in court, drain your resources, harass you, and then in the end come on in with para military forces and possibly kill you and your family....Now, what's your decision...?
    CON is short for CONservative and CON man... I see this rant about the 'gubmint' the same way I saw the 'Joe the Plumber' rant... CONs who are clueless trying to turn a liar, cheat, deadbeat into some sort of hero because he refuses to obey the law...

    This reminds me of another clueless CON ranters whining about lumber companies not being able to take the last of the 'old timber' from Gubmint lands because of an owl. It doesn't matter the critter, the land doesn't BELONG to any ONE man or company. Running cattle, cutting timber on Federal land isn't a RIGHT. CONs love telling LIBs what they want isn't a right, let me assure you exploiting natural resources on federal land isn't a RIGHT...

    Feel free to use LIB, or PRO, or even DEM in referring to people, your whine about me using CON is rather limp wristed, unlike some CONs who use libtard, CON is just the first 3 letters... (did I miss where you have taken CONs to task over the silly slurs they use????)

    You have gone from claiming Bundy was just attacked one day by the BLM in paramilitary gear with absolutely no hint of possible violence from that lying nut case, to dropping that lying SOB, now trying to and make this an oh dark 30 knock on the door- what is with you CONs- you have to stroke it to the oh dark 30 knock??? and suddenly a hard working rancher is out of business????

    This went on for DECADES. Bundy was using SOMEONE else's land for free for DECADES and now when the owner of that land FINALLY acts you want to try and twist this into a oh dark 30 knock on the door????!!!!!

    NO ONE has the right to use other people's land FOR FREE for DECADES! Yet you want to make this all about some mean ol 'Gubmint' strong arm....

    The mindless clinging to an invented situation for hyperpartisan ranting is amazing.... I hope you are not like this in real life!

  8. #1298
    Sometimes wrong

    ttwtt78640's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Uhland, Texas
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    34,667

    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    CON is short for CONservative and CON man... I see this rant about the 'gubmint' the same way I saw the 'Joe the Plumber' rant... CONs who are clueless trying to turn a liar, cheat, deadbeat into some sort of hero because he refuses to obey the law...

    This reminds me of another clueless CON ranters whining about lumber companies not being able to take the last of the 'old timber' from Gubmint lands because of an owl. It doesn't matter the critter, the land doesn't BELONG to any ONE man or company. Running cattle, cutting timber on Federal land isn't a RIGHT. CONs love telling LIBs what they want isn't a right, let me assure you exploiting natural resources on federal land isn't a RIGHT...

    Feel free to use LIB, or PRO, or even DEM in referring to people, your whine about me using CON is rather limp wristed, unlike some CONs who use libtard, CON is just the first 3 letters... (did I miss where you have taken CONs to task over the silly slurs they use????)

    You have gone from claiming Bundy was just attacked one day by the BLM in paramilitary gear with absolutely no hint of possible violence from that lying nut case, to dropping that lying SOB, now trying to and make this an oh dark 30 knock on the door- what is with you CONs- you have to stroke it to the oh dark 30 knock??? and suddenly a hard working rancher is out of business????

    This went on for DECADES. Bundy was using SOMEONE else's land for free for DECADES and now when the owner of that land FINALLY acts you want to try and twist this into a oh dark 30 knock on the door????!!!!!

    NO ONE has the right to use other people's land FOR FREE for DECADES! Yet you want to make this all about some mean ol 'Gubmint' strong arm....

    The mindless clinging to an invented situation for hyperpartisan ranting is amazing.... I hope you are not like this in real life!
    Nice rant but I saw no such outrage at the OWS folks occupying public land. Like the OWS folks, Bundy seems to feel that he has a right to have his cattle occupy public land to make his bizarre political point and has a small but vocal group of supporters..
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

  9. #1299
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    okla-freakin-homa
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:35 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    12,626

    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And that is a fair point ditto...I have conceded that Bundy was/is in the wrong for not paying his fines not fees....He already have bought the permits, and the government wanted to take them away... It really would parallel my situation if: I had all of my permits, and tags, licencing, and inter state DOT numbers, and registrations paid for, and all of the sudden the government showed up at my door, and told me that I could no longer drive on the Interstate, because the "the Center for Prius integration" wanted to protect the highway system for hybrid cars... And then to make matters worse when I didn't agree to what the government was proposing, they came after me with SWAT.... You think that is America? You think that is how things should work?
    Still more CON BS... first you don't BUY a permit, you lease AUMs in a grazing district. If you read the terms of a lease the BLM can cancel the lease at any time (30 day notice). The leasee must abide by the conditions set on each lease to protect the land- and the BLM retains the right to cancel or terminate that lease. NO ONE is required to pay the total of the lease upfront. Bundy didn't pre-pay over 20 years of lease...

    So if you violate the rules governing your CDL but have paid your licence you expect to keep on driving???? Get cited for critical safety violations but your tag is still 'good' you think you should still be able drive that rolling POS on the interstate???

    Your analogy is yet another poor CON dodge... the closing of PART of the BLM land is the equiv of semis being 'forced' to use the bypass routes rather than the more congested downtown routes, it is the equiv of semis being banned from the 'scenic' and quite fragile cobblestone roads some towns have put in as part of beautification projects. Or the ban on jake brakes in certain towns.

  10. #1300
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    okla-freakin-homa
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:35 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    12,626

    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Nice rant but I saw no such outrage at the OWS folks occupying public land. Like the OWS folks, Bundy seems to feel that he has a right to have his cattle occupy public land to make his bizarre political point and has a small but vocal group of supporters..
    I asked why YOU suddenly feel this way, not others, nice deflection...

    You must have not been looking too hard to have missed the CON shrieking over the OWS protests... head in sand much???

    Actually the big OWS sit in was in a private park the CONs wanted to be shut down, not public lands. Zuccotti Park

    Cows don't just occupy, they consume and trample- the OWS folks would have had to take office equipment, food, and destroy private property to be the equiv.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •