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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes that horrible government. One wonders why you are even here, I mean there are soo many utopias to choose from, why do you remain here in this hell hole that you despise so much? Maybe you would be happier in Iran.

    Comparing a guy who is not paying his fees that every other rancher does, to Rosa Parks just shows how intellectually dishonest your comments really are.
    That person must have forgotten Rosa was arrested for civil disobedience. Bundy has not been arrested, yet.

    Rosa Parks Was Arrested for Civil Disobedience, December 1, 1955 - Jump Back in Time | America's Library - Library of Congress

    And, I don't know what this has to do with Bundy, or the civil rights movement either.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    That person must have forgotten Rosa was arrested for civil disobedience. Bundy has not been arrested, yet.

    Rosa Parks Was Arrested for Civil Disobedience, December 1, 1955 - Jump Back in Time | America's Library - Library of Congress

    And, I don't know what this has to do with Bundy, or the civil rights movement either.
    I think it sounds fishy to me... some particular sort of fish... Oh, right. A red herring.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    What is it with these communists who think they can live free off of the land owned by taxpayers. When will these guys start paying their way and stop expecting me to foot the bill.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by rjay View Post
    What is it with these communists who think they can live free off of the land owned by taxpayers. When will these guys start paying their way and stop expecting me to foot the bill.
    Oh you're going to foot the bill anyway....seen the price of beef lately?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Bundy threatening a "range war" and calling in his 'sovereign citizen' buddies and threatening violence is heavy handed, too. The BLM was simply trying to round up cows that were illegally on federal lands, which they had every right to do. They also had a right to protect themselves from Bundy and his extremist pals.
    I think you are manipulating the timeline in order to excuse the government actions....

    Bundy didn't make this statement until AFTER the government showed up in para military gear, pointing their weapons, and tazeing his son...

    I think you are purposely muddying up the time line to make Bundy appear to be the only one in the wrong....
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    It's relevant because the government doesn't really know what militias are capable of, or what they're planning next. Call it fear of the unknown, and expecting the worst of a circumstance.

    I believe the federal agents backed off from the militia in Bunkerville wisely.
    As I told Moot, I think you are conflating the timeline....militias didn't start showing up, to my knowledge until AFTER the armed incursion of an agency that 1. displayed armament far beyond what they typically should be brandishing, and 2. started trampling the constitution by doing such things as trying to "set up a free speech zone"....Are you kidding me?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    You know, that's uncalled for. If you have an opinion, state it, and let's debate it, cut the crap please.
    Ditto and I have known each other for years...I am confident he took it in the way it was intended....not to worry.

    Ditto, among others seem to be displaying a rather blind acceptance of government force, and only taking the word of the authoritarian side of things...

    If he has a problem with me, HE can address it, instead of you.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    The irony will likely be that the turtles could only thrive where there was active cattle operations.
    The cattle were rendering the vegetation into something the turtles could eat.
    That is a myth from before 1934. Cattle frequently overgrazed the arid ranges and had huge periodic die-offs. (so did West Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, California.) The tortoise SURVIVED as the cattle DIED by eating dung. (Cliven's comment about dung being good for the tortoise because of a high protein content is false in two ways- first dung isn't high in protein and tortoises are harmed by high protein content food).

    The tortoise would 'thrive' on rabbit pellets as much as any cattle prairie pie. Cattle are not a requirement for a healthy tortoise habitat, any herbivore droppings will do- rabbit, deer, antelope, even from predators if nothing else.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    or at least pay your bills.

    Here's another supporter of Bundy. He's even written a folk song for the folk hero.

    http://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2014/...dy-go-together
    I don't know he is a "friend" of Bundy, or just some guy writing a song....Do you? I have agreed numerous times that Bundy's course of actions in this should have been to pay the fees, and fight it in the courts...He didn't, and a Judge ordered the cattle confiscated...The problem is, that you have a rancher who represented himself in these loosing court battles, and we've all seen now the level of ability to stage the battle in that regard...Bundy needs competent council, and continue in the courts...

    In the mean time there may or may not be recourse for him to stop the ceasing of his herd...But, all of that IN NO WAY justifies the governments over zealous show of force....

    When Utah ranchers told Nevada that they may have as many as 200 ranchers and supporters coming down to protest along side Bundy, they were told by the Clark County official, "I hope they have their funeral arrangements in order".... What the hell is that? But, so far Ditto, you seem to support that as long as it is from the government.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    That is a myth from before 1934. Cattle frequently overgrazed the arid ranges and had huge periodic die-offs. (so did West Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, California.) The tortoise SURVIVED as the cattle DIED by eating dung. (Cliven's comment about dung being good for the tortoise because of a high protein content is false in two ways- first dung isn't high in protein and tortoises are harmed by high protein content food).

    The tortoise would 'thrive' on rabbit pellets as much as any cattle prairie pie. Cattle are not a requirement for a healthy tortoise habitat, any herbivore droppings will do- rabbit, deer, antelope, even from predators if nothing else.
    pfft! The "tortoise argument" has already been debunked as little more than a rouse to allow authoritarian action by this administration.

    If the cattle are detrimental to the tortoise, then you shouldn't be able to pay a fee to continue....All this is, (analogy here) is protection money, paid to the government mob.
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