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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Abbot should probably calm down. But... the BLM should renounce the annexations of private land as a concept, not just as something that "we are not going to do now"
    Let's not conflate the Bundy affair with the government "annexing" private land. That is a totally different idea, and one that is unconstitutional and never going to happen.

    Unless, of course, they're going to use the asset forfeiture laws.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Let's not conflate the Bundy affair with the government "annexing" private land. That is a totally different idea, and one that is unconstitutional and never going to happen.

    Unless, of course, they're going to use the asset forfeiture laws.
    It apparently has happened:Oklahoma-Texas border dispute has ranchers worried

    Which only adds fuel to Occupiers like Bundy.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Kind of like bundy comparing himself to MLK.
    I didn't mention MLK. This isn't a pissing party. I know a few people who died on 9/11. I find it a disrespectful comparison and absolutely disingenous.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Good point.
    Best just to round up the cattle, sell them to pay unpaid bills, then go home and let Bundy and his "militia" stew in their own juices.
    Someone earlier brought up the issue of drones.

    No, I don't believe for a minute the government would use an armed drone to take Bundy out, that's not how our government operates on American soil.

    However, the government might be using drones for surveillance purposes. One or two might be used to track his habits, where he goes, what he does, and there could be FBI agents from afar with camera equipped telescopes keeping track of his movements, who is with him when he leaves the house, barn, or corrale, and they'll likely put all this information together and make a quick and decisive move to arrest him and a handful of his followers without compromising Bundy's children or immediate family.

    Who knows? It is possible the FBI might use 2 or 3 Chevy Suburbans and drive right up to his home and say, Mr. Bundy, we have a warrant for your arrest, and he might go peaceably without resistance.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    It apparently has happened:Oklahoma-Texas border dispute has ranchers worried

    Which only adds fuel to Occupiers like Bundy.
    That's terrible.

    If they get away with it, we might as well ditch what tatters there may be left of the Fifth Amendment.

    Meanwhile, the Bundy affair and the Texas land grab are two very different things.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That's terrible.

    If they get away with it, we might as well ditch what tatters there may be left of the Fifth Amendment.

    Meanwhile, the Bundy affair and the Texas land grab are two very different things.
    I agree completely- with all your points.

    I cant believe that the BLM will not renounce the annexation of private land as a concept- not "we'll, we were going to study a proposal to do so, but we are definelty not considering annexations- now."

    Even considering proposals to annex private land (let alone actually annexing) just adds fuel to Bundy and his followers.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    I agree completely- with all your points.

    I cant beleive that the BLM will not renounce the annexation of private land as a concept- not "we'll, we were going to study a proposal to do so, but we are definelty not considering annexations- now."
    I would hope not. Further, if they do go ahead with it, I'd hope that the SCOTUS would declare it what it is, unconstitutional.

    But, then asset forfeiture continues, and no one has even brought it to the SCOTUS as far as I know.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    I wished people would get back on the subject of this thread.

    If you want to discuss Texas and Oklahoma land squabbles, please, start another thread.

    BLM Red River Statement

    To be clear, Bundy never owned the land he was permitted to graze his cattle upon. The BLM didn't grab any land he owns.
    Last edited by AJiveMan; 04-25-14 at 12:58 PM.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I only recall one person saying something about women & kids as shields, and it wasn't Bundy, it was Richard Mack, unless I missed Bundy saying it?

    In my opinion, it's also very disrespectful to the thousands of innocent people who lost their lives at the hands of Bin Laden to draw any kind of comparison between Bundy & Bin Laden.
    Bundy is a member of the Sovereign Citizen movement which is closely aligned with domestic terrorism. Terry Nichols and the Oklahoma city bombing are a prime example of this group acting against the United States. There are many other smaller incidents. The Sovereign Citizen's movement is an offshoot of the Posse Comitatus movement which like Al Qaeda was founded on hatred and intolerance. The death toll from this movement may not be as high as Al Qaeda, but it's certainly in the hundreds.

    They're not the same, but it's silly to discount the similarities.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Bundy is a member of the Sovereign Citizen movement which is closely aligned with domestic terrorism. Terry Nichols and the Oklahoma city bombing are a prime example of this group acting against the United States. There are many other smaller incidents. The Sovereign Citizen's movement is an offshoot of the Posse Comitatus movement which like Al Qaeda was founded on hatred and intolerance. The death toll from this movement may not be as high as Al Qaeda, but it's certainly in the hundreds.

    They're not the same, but it's silly to discount the similarities.
    but they are not responsible for killing the same number of people. how could you then say they are similar. of course similarity extends itself only in terms of the numbers of people murdered sarcasm alert.gif
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