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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by fred68 View Post
    It makes me ask is the nation headed in the direction of having another constitutional convention or something similar. There's a huge number of people on the right, mostly law abiding and hard working, that think the government is becoming unworkable. How large that number is, who knows but we can't discount them. I saw a map of the western half of our country showing the government owning a huge portion of it. Nothing constitutional about that.
    I saw the same map.

    Fed%u00252BOwned%u00252BLands%u00252BMap.jpg

    What's unconstitutional about it?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Obama already has killed US citizens using drones. They say that they will kill terrorists no matter the nationality. bundy would qualify as a terrorist.
    So....you think it's good that Obama killed US citizens with drones? I don't.

    How come we don't kill all terrorists. Like Yousef, who killed 6 people in the WTC in 1993. That would have been nice.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Obama already has killed US citizens using drones. They say that they will kill terrorists no matter the nationality. bundy would qualify as a terrorist.
    Bundy is a freeloading racist who is about to get taken off of public land he has no right to use. That's all he is. He'll lose his cattle, maybe pay a fine, perhaps even do some jail time, but not likely.

    Still, some will see him as some sort of unlikely folk hero, compare him to the Chinese man who stood up to tanks, even to the revolutionaries of '76, when all he really is is a cheater.

    A hero he is not, nor is he really a "terrorist". That word has been grossly overused of late.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Check out the link that member posted. In it, it says how Forest Service offices as well as BLM offices were bombed, one forest supervisor's vehicle was also bombed.

    I'll give you sort of an idea of what federal workers are up against.
    Very true, they face alot. Back up is often hours away and I have also heard that some rural Sherrif's offices have been less than helpful in assisting federal officers- even when the federal officers are not enforcing land management laws.

    With this in mind, it boggles me that the BLM would even think about pursuing cases like this one:Texas is next! AG warns BLM wants 90,000 acres after Bundy ranch standoff - Washington Times

    BLM uses the fact that the Red River has changed course and that there are minor differences in river system terminology in various documents as justification to consider annexing land that has been private for several generations.

    All these dumb actions do is fuel Bundy's blind followers. The BLM should publically announce absolutely no annexation actions will be taken against land that is currently private. Then, I hope Bundy gets slammed.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I saw the same map.

    Fed%u00252BOwned%u00252BLands%u00252BMap.jpg

    What's unconstitutional about it?
    I replied once but that reply got lost I think. Gotta go now but quick answer is how did the feds come up with land ownership. It's we the people not them the government. Why couldn't land be up for auction at reasonable price or homesteading?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Bundy is a freeloading racist who is about to get taken off of public land he has no right to use. That's all he is. He'll lose his cattle, maybe pay a fine, perhaps even do some jail time, but not likely.

    Still, some will see him as some sort of unlikely folk hero, compare him to the Chinese man who stood up to tanks, even to the revolutionaries of '76, when all he really is is a cheater.

    A hero he is not, nor is he really a "terrorist". That word has been grossly overused of late.
    I wouldn't take any bets on that;

    Gardner, 63, was sentenced Monday to one month incarceration at a halfway house in Reno followed by three months of house arrest at his ranch in eastern Nevada for refusing to remove his cattle from Forest Service land in a dispute that dates back to 1996.

    U.S. District Judge Howard McKibben also fined Gardner $5,000 and placed him on one-year's probation
    Rancher says he'll do time to win range war : Uncategorized

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by fred68 View Post
    I replied once but that reply got lost I think. Gotta go now but quick answer is how did the feds come up with land ownership. It's we the people not them the government. Why couldn't land be up for auction at reasonable price or homesteading?
    Thanks for map. No wonder califonia is so crowded and expensive. half of it owned by the feds.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    So, Bundy just might spend some time in jail. Good to know.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Very true, they face alot. Back up is often hours away and I have also heard that some rural Sherrif's offices have been less than helpful in assisting federal officers- even when the federal officers are not enforcing land management laws.

    With this in mind, it boggles me that the BLM would even think about pursuing cases like this one:Texas is next! AG warns BLM wants 90,000 acres after Bundy ranch standoff - Washington Times

    BLM uses the fact that the Red River has changed course and that there are minor differences in river system terminology in various documents as justification to consider annexing land that has been private for several generations.

    All these dumb actions do is fuel Bundy's blind followers. The BLM should publically announce absolutely no annexation actions will be taken against land that is currently private. Then, I hope Bundy gets slammed.
    In the right wing article, it stated the BLM categorically denied wanting to grab the land the Texas AG said they (BLM) were going to grab.

    The problem in Nevada is that the land Bundy's cattle have been grazing on, was government land when Bundy leased it, it wasn't private land at all. Big difference. Right wing media is painting the government as evil ever since the Bundy cattle flap. All the Texas AG is doing is fanning the flames, or, pouring gas on the fire.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So....you think it's good that Obama killed US citizens with drones? I don't.

    How come we don't kill all terrorists. Like Yousef, who killed 6 people in the WTC in 1993. That would have been nice.
    I don't either but we need to be consistent.
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