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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I raised?
    No, that's in error. It wasn't me who posted about Obamacare and immigration laws. I didn't post about my Aunt Matilda and her bunions, either, for the same reason:


    That is not relevant.
    Oh, oops, it's moot that raised that red herring... I just pointed out the hypocrisy.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Oh, oops, it's moot that raised that red herring... I just pointed out the hypocrisy.
    It was your red herring.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It was your red herring.
    No, the red herring was saying that the government loses credibility for not enforcing laws.


    I pointed out that this is a red herring by bringing up a few of the almost innumerable ways that the government is selectively enforcing laws.

    Red herring : The idiom "red herring" is used to refer to something that misleads or distracts from the relevant or important issue.[1] It may be either a logical fallacy or a literary device that leads readers or characters towards a false conclusion.

    And government corruption is a key issue in this situation.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    No, the red herring was saying that the government loses credibility for not enforcing laws.
    That's what the "sovereign citizens" believe.


    I pointed out that this is a red herring by bringing up a few of the almost innumerable ways that the government is selectively enforcing laws.

    Red herring : The idiom "red herring" is used to refer to something that misleads or distracts from the relevant or important issue.[1] It may be either a logical fallacy or a literary device that leads readers or characters towards a false conclusion.

    And government corruption is a key issue in this situation.
    Your example of immigration is a red herring.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    That's what the "sovereign citizens" believe.
    What's sovereign citizens?

    You make it out like an insult? If a citizen is not sovereign it means they are a subject, or perhaps a Slave.


    Your example of immigration is a red herring.
    How so?

    You said the government loses street cred (not in those words), if it does not enforce the law against bundy. My point was that they already lost that credibility by not enforcing immigration laws, I also added not enforcing Obama care equally, and I also left open for the litany of other examples of corrupt government that show the us to be a joke on the world stage... A joke with lots of guns mind you, but all the same.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    It's his land because you decided to say any government owned land actually belongs to the people okay, I'm going to go to area 51 this summer and stake out my claim on what I think I own.
    just f*&^%$g sickening.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    What's sovereign citizens?
    'Sovereign citizens are extremists that Bundy called to come help him fight the federal government.

    You make it out like an insult? If a citizen is not sovereign it means they are a subject, or perhaps a Slave.
    Why don't you look up what 'sovereign' means? The FBI considers them to be domestic terrorists and rightly so....

    Sovereign Citizen Movement -- Extremism in America

    A look at the "sovereign citizen" movement - CBS News

    FBI — Sovereign Citizens


    How so?
    You said the government loses street cred (not in those words), if it does not enforce the law against bundy. My point was that they already lost that credibility by not enforcing immigration laws, I also added not enforcing Obama care equally, and I also left open for the litany of other examples of corrupt government that show the us to be a joke on the world stage... A joke with lots of guns mind you, but all the same.
    Aside from being factually wrong your points have nothing to do with the topic....hence a red herring.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Probably been posted already but read the Washington Post's timeline, which gives a good explanation of why the BLM might have been "heavy handed," as some would say:
    Everything you need to know about the long fight between Cliven Bundy and the federal government

    So he threatens resistance, sends a letter to the sheriff about a range war (and demands protection), BLM is already concerned about safety in general in the area/nearby areas (and has been for quite awhile if the timeline is true). Yeah, can't see at all why they bring so much force...

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The fly swatter should have applied 20 years ago....but now its time for a sledge hammer or the federal government will some lose credibility. If it can't or won't enforce the laws then what is the point?
    Well, you're right that reg's should have been complied with in the 90s, but to wait 20 years then respond with such a display of force is stupid unless you as the government are trying to show the public that it is now under authoritarian rule. There were less heavy handed ways to proceed and save face. But progressives hate the military approach unless they can use it against their political opposition.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by coyotedelmar View Post
    Probably been posted already but read the Washington Post's timeline, which gives a good explanation of why the BLM might have been "heavy handed," as some would say:
    Everything you need to know about the long fight between Cliven Bundy and the federal government

    So he threatens resistance, sends a letter to the sheriff about a range war (and demands protection), BLM is already concerned about safety in general in the area/nearby areas (and has been for quite awhile if the timeline is true). Yeah, can't see at all why they bring so much force...
    People talk out of their ass all the time. Just take a look around the board in here and take note of all the progressives with emboldened extreme rhetoric...yeah they were the same ones screaming murder at military force being used a decade ago...I guess it's fine when you threaten to kill your neighbors.
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