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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    appears you started by further elevating that level of ignorance


    that analogy does not work on any level
    he has no garage. the one next door that has been unattended for 20 years is where he has sent his herd to crap and eat. and when the owner of that property has prevailed in court and won a judgment the owner was about to recover from, the trespasser threatens violence, having gotten used to trespassing for so long


    you do note here that BLM observed actions that were non-compliant with the regulations for the land they are responsible for managing; does that mean you think federal agencies should refuse to perform their jobs - in this instance federal lands management


    the reason given was to avoid the possibility of violence. was that not a valid reason?



    you have given us no reason to be sympathetic with this racist scofflaw
    Ya, he had grazing rights on that land... just like there is a distinction made between mineral rights, land rights, forestry rights, etc. ..

    It's the BLM acting against the law, in what can only be called a criminal conspiracy to get him off the land for the solar farm and the environmental easement that would be required.

    Who gains from this? Harry Reid and his son stand to profit greatly in this deal...

    But, no, he's a racist (evidence?) And even a domestic terrorist (according to Reid) because he refused to cave into this extortion.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Links please, something other than media bias.
    OMG do you understand what you said. Who else besides the media would put something up on the internet to be linked to? you mean you'd prefer a blogging link, a forum link. No you want a miracle link to someone with absolutely no bias at all.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    OMG do you understand what you said. Who else besides the media would put something up on the internet to be linked to? you mean you'd prefer a blogging link, a forum link. No you want a miracle link to someone with absolutely no bias at all.

    Get real.
    I'd like an unbiased source.

    Ask yourself this, how did the militia know that the BLM was coming to remove cattle? Couldn't have been that Bundy called a few of his anti government associates and told them they were coming, could it?

    Some militia came from Idaho, that's more than a one hour drive, can you explain that?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Ya, he had grazing rights on that land... just like there is a distinction made between mineral rights, land rights, forestry rights, etc. ..

    It's the BLM acting against the law, in what can only be called a criminal conspiracy to get him off the land for the solar farm and the environmental easement that would be required.

    Who gains from this? Harry Reid and his son stand to profit greatly in this deal...

    But, no, he's a racist (evidence?) And even a domestic terrorist (according to Reid) because he refused to cave into this extortion.
    Bundy is openly defying the Nevada state constitution, primarily article 1 section 2.

    Sec: 2.  Purpose of government; paramount allegiance to United States.  All political power is inherent in the people[.] Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair[,] subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existance [existence], and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.
    The paramount alliegence clause.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    There comes a point where people won't stand for over bearing government anymore...you know, like the founding of this country?
    Reminds me of Shay's Rebellion...which was the inspiration for creating a strong federal government that could enforce the laws. History shows that the founding fathers would not have put up with Mr. Bundy and would have cut him down without hesitation.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Ya, he had grazing rights on that land... just like there is a distinction made between mineral rights, land rights, forestry rights, etc. ..

    It's the BLM acting against the law, in what can only be called a criminal conspiracy to get him off the land for the solar farm and the environmental easement that would be required.

    Who gains from this? Harry Reid and his son stand to profit greatly in this deal...

    But, no, he's a racist (evidence?) And even a domestic terrorist (according to Reid) because he refused to cave into this extortion.

    This is one of Bundy's most recent statements, which I don't believe have any bearing on his cattle grazing claims but it is suspect towards prejudice.


    “I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.
    Continue reading the main story

    “And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/us...t.html?hp&_r=0
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I'd like an unbiased source.

    Ask yourself this, how did the militia know that the BLM was coming to remove cattle? Couldn't have been that Bundy called a few of his anti government associates and told them they were coming, could it?

    Some militia came from Idaho, that's more than a one hour drive, can you explain that?
    Um, who cares who told them. What does it matter. Was it a secret?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    To be correct would be like the government telling you that you must pay the "parking toll" in your own garage, and then sending the swat team when you refuse to bend to the extortion.
    Sigh, it is not Bundy's garage, so there is no extortion. Noow, Bundy does own 180 acres of land, but he does not want to keep his property on his land.

    Lets do an experiment:

    -Don't pay your parking meter fees for severl years
    -Claim that you own the streets due to your special ancestory
    -Tell the local police that:
    A. You will continue to park on local streets
    B. You will never pay the parking fee
    C. You will do whatever it takes to defend your property.
    - The, get lots of blind followers juiced up

    I bet the people that tow your car are going to be armed (shocker)

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    Um, who cares who told them. What does it matter. Was it a secret?
    Actually, it does matter slightly, those militia members chanced a gunfight. It's probably a good thing the feds backed off on that one. I have the feeling that the feds will arrest Bundy and those who try to obstruct law enforcement during his arrest.

    Bundy has made new news recently with his racial remarks, which might be unsettling to some. We might very well see civil rights activists gathering at his ranch, who knows?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Actually, it does matter slightly, those militia members chanced a gunfight. It's probably a good thing the feds backed off on that one. I have the feeling that the feds will arrest Bundy and those who try to obstruct law enforcement during his arrest.

    Bundy has made new news recently with his racial remarks, which might be unsettling to some. We might very well see civil rights activists gathering at his ranch, who knows?
    Hannidy said it right on his radio show today. Whether Bundy is right or wrong about wanting to graze his land on public land, the government was wrong by going after him the way they did. They should've first put a lien out on his land and cattle before bringing in the guns.
    Islam is an antiquated religion and needs to either modernize with the times or be completely eradicated.
    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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