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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, then what did you mean?
    I mean, and I think you know this, there are people out there hold guns. His would feel about a drug user having people show up with guns saying the police better not come in? Do we support that?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    let's hear more from the fellow so many of the wingers are defending:
    “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton,” Bundy was quoted as saying to a group of supporters last Saturday. “And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Are you saying that they didn't have any other recourse other than showing up like para military? I don't think that is right....Anyway, we all wanted to know why the government last year was buying up all the ammo, and weapons, I guess now we have our answer....I personally can't wait until all the liberals now supporting these actions are effected by them, then just wait to hear the screaming....
    Whom are you referring to? The federal agents? If so, they must have had information that Bundy's militia was on the ground waiting for the (fed. agents) arrival, are you saying federal agents should have showed up carrying peace signs and flowers and saying we love you to an armed militia?

    That'd be like bringing a knife to a gunfight. I notice all the cons here really hoping that blood would have been spilled, especially women's blood so it could be splashed all over right wing media.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    The level of ignorance in this thread is so absolutely shocking that I don't even know where to start.

    The analogy was made of toll roads.

    To be correct would be like the government telling you that you must pay the "parking toll" in your own garage, and then sending the swat team when you refuse to bend to the extortion.

    Also, it was the BLM who threatened to SHOOT PEOPLE, INCLUDING WOMEN AND CHILD REN for not complying with their rules ... After about a week where they had already beat up a number of people (including an elderly cancer patient).

    Also, if they were really in the right, why back down?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    The level of ignorance in this thread is so absolutely shocking that I don't even know where to start.

    The analogy was made of toll roads.

    To be correct would be like the government telling you that you must pay the "parking toll" in your own garage, and then sending the swat team when you refuse to bend to the extortion.

    Also, it was the BLM who threatened to SHOOT PEOPLE, INCLUDING WOMEN AND CHILD REN for not complying with their rules ... After about a week where they had already beat up a number of people (including an elderly cancer patient).

    Also, if they were really in the right, why back down?

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    Links please, something other than media bias.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Whom are you referring to? The federal agents? If so, they must have had information that Bundy's militia was on the ground waiting for the (fed. agents) arrival, are you saying federal agents should have showed up carrying peace signs and flowers and saying we love you to an armed militia?

    That'd be like bringing a knife to a gunfight. I notice all the cons here really hoping that blood would have been spilled, especially women's blood so it could be splashed all over right wing media.

    That's just nonsense....You speculate that they had some sort of intel that militia supporters were on their way before they showed up? Prove it....The fact is that the BLM showed up over armed for the situation....Remember Gibson Guitar?

    "Last week federal marshals raided the Gibson Guitar Corporation in Tennessee. It wasn't the first time. The government appears to be preparing to charge the famous builder of instruments with trafficking in illegally obtained wood. It's a rare collision of music and environmental regulation.

    In the hottest part of an August Tennessee day last Thursday, Gibson Guitar CEO Henry Juszkiewicz stood out in the full sun for 30 minutes and vented to the press about the events of the day before.

    "We had a raid," he said, "with federal marshals that were armed, that came in, evacuated our factory, shut down production, sent our employees home and confiscated wood."

    Why Gibson Guitar Was Raided By The Justice Department : The Record : NPR

    Armed agents swoop in on a private business like they were some sort of drug dealers or something....

    Or if you want more recent try this one....

    "In a twist in how governments typically use the power of eminent domain — to foster economic or commercial growth — Summit County, Colo., is threatening to take a couple’s 10-acre parcel in Colorado’s White River National Forest to preserve it as open space.

    But the couple, Andy and Ceil Barrie, isn’t planning to develop the land or sell it to someone who might. They just want to use an all-terrain vehicle in the winter to access its century-old refurbished cabin they own as a second home.

    The U.S. Forest Service, however, prohibits using motorized vehicles in national forests.

    “People in this community are very intent on preserving the back country,” Summit County Attorney Jeff Huntley told the Associated Press.

    The Barries, who live full time in a nearby subdivision, paid about $550,000 for the home and the nearby land and cabin. The county also discovered the cabin’s previous owner had illegally expanded the structure. The couple told the AP that they would be willing to give some of the property to conservation organizations and that they would be happy to remove the cabin if it means keeping their land for camping and hiking.

    But they also argue that they have a legal right to access their private property along an old two-mile mining road. The county is standing firm that no vehicles are allowed. According to the AP, Summit County first offered to buy the property for $50,000 and when the Barries refused the offer, county commissioners voted to condemn it.



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    The government is getting more and more heavy handed in their enforcement of regulations to the point of using this extreme force. So, why is it not logical to you and others that in light of current events that some will want to meet that extreme force from the government with force of their own?

    Also the innuendo, and misrepresentation of these people that are literally under attack by their own government by progressives, all because they support the administration carrying this out is striking...It really in my opinion is an ugly side of authoritarian progressivism. Just as above where you try to insinuate that the militia protesters were there before the BLM....That is false. These people didn't show up until after some local protesters were confronted by agents initially, and Bundy's son was tazed....But, there are other lies out there, such as "Bundy called for the militia to come"....That is also a lie...In an interview I saw, he said that he wanted peaceful resolution, and told those with weapons that came to take care and not do anything to lead to violence....

    And then the beauty that you yourself promote, that somehow conservatives like me were hoping for violence, or women and children killed...That is despicable, and an outright slanderous lie. It stemmed out of an interview with an ex Sheriff named Mack, that NO ONE endorsed as a leader or spokesman of anything! But, that doesn't matter does it? As long as progressives, and the media got that soundbite from someone there, all of the sudden everyone was for the stupid idiot saying it....What a load of dung.

    And then Jiveman you and others wonder why we conservative hold such contempt for progressives as people...It is because of underhanded lying tactics like this....

    I support Bundy having to pay his fees, and have said so repeatedly, but I don't support big government hit squads taking up arms against a citizen. I don't like the scenerio of government putting us in that position.

    So, why not discuss this in civil ways instead of lying about anyone that disagrees with total power on the side of government....? I hope you can.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Whom are you referring to? The federal agents? If so, they must have had information that Bundy's militia was on the ground waiting for the (fed. agents) arrival, are you saying federal agents should have showed up carrying peace signs and flowers and saying we love you to an armed militia?

    That'd be like bringing a knife to a gunfight. I notice all the cons here really hoping that blood would have been spilled, especially women's blood so it could be splashed all over right wing media.

    That's just nonsense....You speculate that they had some sort of intel that militia supporters were on their way before they showed up? Prove it....The fact is that the BLM showed up over armed for the situation....Remember Gibson Guitar?

    "Last week federal marshals raided the Gibson Guitar Corporation in Tennessee. It wasn't the first time. The government appears to be preparing to charge the famous builder of instruments with trafficking in illegally obtained wood. It's a rare collision of music and environmental regulation.

    In the hottest part of an August Tennessee day last Thursday, Gibson Guitar CEO Henry Juszkiewicz stood out in the full sun for 30 minutes and vented to the press about the events of the day before.

    "We had a raid," he said, "with federal marshals that were armed, that came in, evacuated our factory, shut down production, sent our employees home and confiscated wood."

    Why Gibson Guitar Was Raided By The Justice Department : The Record : NPR

    Armed agents swoop in on a private business like they were some sort of drug dealers or something....

    Or if you want more recent try this one....

    "In a twist in how governments typically use the power of eminent domain — to foster economic or commercial growth — Summit County, Colo., is threatening to take a couple’s 10-acre parcel in Colorado’s White River National Forest to preserve it as open space.

    But the couple, Andy and Ceil Barrie, isn’t planning to develop the land or sell it to someone who might. They just want to use an all-terrain vehicle in the winter to access its century-old refurbished cabin they own as a second home.

    The U.S. Forest Service, however, prohibits using motorized vehicles in national forests.

    “People in this community are very intent on preserving the back country,” Summit County Attorney Jeff Huntley told the Associated Press.

    The Barries, who live full time in a nearby subdivision, paid about $550,000 for the home and the nearby land and cabin. The county also discovered the cabin’s previous owner had illegally expanded the structure. The couple told the AP that they would be willing to give some of the property to conservation organizations and that they would be happy to remove the cabin if it means keeping their land for camping and hiking.

    But they also argue that they have a legal right to access their private property along an old two-mile mining road. The county is standing firm that no vehicles are allowed. According to the AP, Summit County first offered to buy the property for $50,000 and when the Barries refused the offer, county commissioners voted to condemn it.



    Read more: Colorado county wants to seize land over unauthorized ATV use | The Daily Caller

    The government is getting more and more heavy handed in their enforcement of regulations to the point of using this extreme force. So, why is it not logical to you and others that in light of current events that some will want to meet that extreme force from the government with force of their own?

    Also the innuendo, and misrepresentation of these people that are literally under attack by their own government by progressives, all because they support the administration carrying this out is striking...It really in my opinion is an ugly side of authoritarian progressivism. Just as above where you try to insinuate that the militia protesters were there before the BLM....That is false. These people didn't show up until after some local protesters were confronted by agents initially, and Bundy's son was tazed....But, there are other lies out there, such as "Bundy called for the militia to come"....That is also a lie...In an interview I saw, he said that he wanted peaceful resolution, and told those with weapons that came to take care and not do anything to lead to violence....

    And then the beauty that you yourself promote, that somehow conservatives like me were hoping for violence, or women and children killed...That is despicable, and an outright slanderous lie. It stemmed out of an interview with an ex Sheriff named Mack, that NO ONE endorsed as a leader or spokesman of anything! But, that doesn't matter does it? As long as progressives, and the media got that soundbite from someone there, all of the sudden everyone was for the stupid idiot saying it....What a load of dung.

    And then Jiveman you and others wonder why we conservative hold such contempt for progressives as people...It is because of underhanded lying tactics like this....

    I support Bundy having to pay his fees, and have said so repeatedly, but I don't support big government hit squads taking up arms against a citizen. I don't like the scenerio of government putting us in that position.

    So, why not discuss this in civil ways instead of lying about anyone that disagrees with total power on the side of government....? I hope you can.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    The level of ignorance in this thread is so absolutely shocking that I don't even know where to start.
    appears you started by further elevating that level of ignorance

    The analogy was made of toll roads.

    To be correct would be like the government telling you that you must pay the "parking toll" in your own garage, and then sending the swat team when you refuse to bend to the extortion.
    that analogy does not work on any level
    he has no garage. the one next door that has been unattended for 20 years is where he has sent his herd to crap and eat. and when the owner of that property has prevailed in court and won a judgment the owner was about to recover from, the trespasser threatens violence, having gotten used to trespassing for so long

    Also, it was the BLM who threatened to SHOOT PEOPLE, INCLUDING WOMEN AND CHILD REN for not complying with their rules ... After about a week where they had already beat up a number of people (including an elderly cancer patient).
    you do note here that BLM observed actions that were non-compliant with the regulations for the land they are responsible for managing; does that mean you think federal agencies should refuse to perform their jobs - in this instance federal lands management

    Also, if they were really in the right, why back down?
    the reason given was to avoid the possibility of violence. was that not a valid reason?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How is it my responsibility to prove your claim? You want to blindly just trust the government then have at it....Shame really.
    It's your claim that the BLM agent is lying.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's just nonsense....You speculate that they had some sort of intel that militia supporters were on their way before they showed up? Prove it....The fact is that the BLM showed up over armed for the situation....Remember Gibson Guitar?

    "Last week federal marshals raided the Gibson Guitar Corporation in Tennessee. It wasn't the first time. The government appears to be preparing to charge the famous builder of instruments with trafficking in illegally obtained wood. It's a rare collision of music and environmental regulation.

    In the hottest part of an August Tennessee day last Thursday, Gibson Guitar CEO Henry Juszkiewicz stood out in the full sun for 30 minutes and vented to the press about the events of the day before.

    "We had a raid," he said, "with federal marshals that were armed, that came in, evacuated our factory, shut down production, sent our employees home and confiscated wood."

    Why Gibson Guitar Was Raided By The Justice Department : The Record : NPR

    Armed agents swoop in on a private business like they were some sort of drug dealers or something....

    Or if you want more recent try this one....

    "In a twist in how governments typically use the power of eminent domain — to foster economic or commercial growth — Summit County, Colo., is threatening to take a couple’s 10-acre parcel in Colorado’s White River National Forest to preserve it as open space.

    But the couple, Andy and Ceil Barrie, isn’t planning to develop the land or sell it to someone who might. They just want to use an all-terrain vehicle in the winter to access its century-old refurbished cabin they own as a second home.

    The U.S. Forest Service, however, prohibits using motorized vehicles in national forests.

    “People in this community are very intent on preserving the back country,” Summit County Attorney Jeff Huntley told the Associated Press.

    The Barries, who live full time in a nearby subdivision, paid about $550,000 for the home and the nearby land and cabin. The county also discovered the cabin’s previous owner had illegally expanded the structure. The couple told the AP that they would be willing to give some of the property to conservation organizations and that they would be happy to remove the cabin if it means keeping their land for camping and hiking.

    But they also argue that they have a legal right to access their private property along an old two-mile mining road. The county is standing firm that no vehicles are allowed. According to the AP, Summit County first offered to buy the property for $50,000 and when the Barries refused the offer, county commissioners voted to condemn it.



    Read more: Colorado county wants to seize land over unauthorized ATV use | The Daily Caller

    The government is getting more and more heavy handed in their enforcement of regulations to the point of using this extreme force. So, why is it not logical to you and others that in light of current events that some will want to meet that extreme force from the government with force of their own?

    Also the innuendo, and misrepresentation of these people that are literally under attack by their own government by progressives, all because they support the administration carrying this out is striking...It really in my opinion is an ugly side of authoritarian progressivism. Just as above where you try to insinuate that the militia protesters were there before the BLM....That is false. These people didn't show up until after some local protesters were confronted by agents initially, and Bundy's son was tazed....But, there are other lies out there, such as "Bundy called for the militia to come"....That is also a lie...In an interview I saw, he said that he wanted peaceful resolution, and told those with weapons that came to take care and not do anything to lead to violence....

    And then the beauty that you yourself promote, that somehow conservatives like me were hoping for violence, or women and children killed...That is despicable, and an outright slanderous lie. It stemmed out of an interview with an ex Sheriff named Mack, that NO ONE endorsed as a leader or spokesman of anything! But, that doesn't matter does it? As long as progressives, and the media got that soundbite from someone there, all of the sudden everyone was for the stupid idiot saying it....What a load of dung.

    And then Jiveman you and others wonder why we conservative hold such contempt for progressives as people...It is because of underhanded lying tactics like this....

    I support Bundy having to pay his fees, and have said so repeatedly, but I don't support big government hit squads taking up arms against a citizen. I don't like the scenerio of government putting us in that position.

    So, why not discuss this in civil ways instead of lying about anyone that disagrees with total power on the side of government....? I hope you can.
    I'm glad you brought up Gibson.

    Now, let me bring up the subject of people planting bombs in BLM and Forest Service Offices, and one bomb planted under a forest service supervisor's vehicle. This so called range war has been heating on the back burner for quite a while now, if you didn't know.

    If you read a few stories about Bundy, you would know he contacted a militia group before federal officers showed up. It's out there, all you need to do is read, and no, I won't do your homework for you, look it up for yourself.

    I still contend cons wanted to see blood spilled, so they could point fingers and say, see, I told you so. But, they didn't get their wish. But, if people think that Bundy won, they are badly mistaken. Bundy might be arrested in the future, and some militia members may be going with him to the pokey if they obstruct justice or interfere with arresting officers.

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