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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    If there was any doubt about Cliven Bundy"s involvement with militias look at these photos. It shows bundy being escorted by militia bodyguards. these militia guys look more like thugs than anything.
    Actually, those "body guards" don't look a whole heck of a lot different than some of the federal agents who were pressing the government's case, or the security contractors the federal government employs all over the world as instruments of American foreign policy.

    These pics are of government employees at the Bundy ranch (note that the only significant difference between these guys and the body guards is the addition of an official patch/badge):

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    This reminds me of old western movies where the rich cattleman has a bunch of thugs working for him...
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Actually, those "body guards" don't look a whole heck of a lot different than some of the federal agents who were pressing the government's case, or the security contractors the federal government employs all over the world as instruments of American foreign policy.

    These pics are of government employees at the Bundy ranch (note that the only significant difference between these guys and the body guards is the addition of an official patch/badge):




    Indeed...
    Yea but I established with those photos the fact that Cliven Bundy is holding hands with militia nut cases. Some people are trying to claim that the Bundy's have no affiliation with any militia nut cases.

    Really the militia presence at the Bundy Ranch justifies the need for a BLM seciruity detail. ANd considering the tactic that the Bundy protesters used of placing women and children in harms way while targeting fellow Americans with sniper positions, well the whole thing stinks of 'domestic terrorism'.

    It is just a matter of time before one of these nutcase militia idiots commits a domestic terrorism act. One or more of those ****wads will be the next Timothy McVeigh, I just hope that they dont kill too many people.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Yea but I established with those photos the fact that Cliven Bundy is holding hands with militia nut cases. Some people are trying to claim that the Bundy's have no affiliation with any militia nut cases.
    I don't know a whole awful lot about militias.

    While I would suspect that, like any other organization, they contain their share of "nut cases", I would also suspect that the large majority of their membership are perfectly sane.

    When you say that the Bundy's have an affiliation with militias that sort of implies that the relationship with a militia predates this issue of the federal government turning a cattle round-up into a show of force that makes Operation Just Cause look like small potatoes.

    Do you have any evidence of that?

    As far as I can tell Bundy actually did not have any relationship with any militia, and is only now using them as body guards because he's got more federal agents on "his" property than there were Marines storming Fallujah.

    Nothing for nothing, but given the rate at which law enforcement officers kill innocent, non-violent civilians in this country, if I had a battalion of cops camping on my front lawn I'd be inclined to accept whatever protection I could find too.

    Really the militia presence at the Bundy Ranch justifies the need for a BLM seciruity detail.
    You're kind of putting the cart before the horse here.

    The buildup of federal law enforcement "troops" (look at those guys, they're not police officers, they're paramilitaries) preceded the militia turnout by at least a week.

    The cops showed up with assault rifles, MRAPS, and snipers to threaten completely non-violent citizens (note that no civilian out there at the Bundy ranch has yet done ANYTHING to harm or even directly threaten a cop) and a wekk later the militia started pouring in.

    ANd considering the tactic that the Bundy protesters used of placing women and children in harms way while targeting fellow Americans with sniper positions, well the whole thing stinks of 'domestic terrorism'.
    The federal government was training snipers on the Bundy family, and the initial small outpouring of supporters, long before the armed militias showed up and returned the favor.

    I haven't yet heard anything about children being used as human shields. You just made that up.

    There was a report of a plan to put the women up front but it was never actually done because the standoff never actually devolved into actual hostilities.

    Of course, the reports of that plan can be traced back to the comments one man made to a reporter so there's no way of knowing whether or not it was actually something the entire group accepted and planned to adopt.

    For all we know the guy who made the comments was one of the "nut cases" we were talking about above.

    It is just a matter of time before one of these nutcase militia idiots commits a domestic terrorism act.
    Likewise, it's also probably only a matter of time before overbearing, militarized law enforcement agents commit an act of overzealous murder.

    Oh, wait, I don't think I've logged on to Facebook once in the past two years without being greeted by yet another story of a cop somewhere abusing his authority and beating, maiming, or killing a citizen simply because he could and then being buried behind the "thin blue line" of lying fellow law enforcement officers and union lawyers only to serve a brief paid suspension while the investigation is swept under the rug.

    One or more of those ****wads will be the next Timothy McVeigh, I just hope that they dont kill too many people.
    So, one example of a (fringe) militia member becoming a domestic terrorist and literally hundreds of examples every year of law enforcement officers, federal, state, and local, trampling on the rights of American citizens to the point that they needlessly kill or maim several every week.

    You're in New Mexico, isn't the Albuquerque Police Department running up some kind of record where they, alone, try to kill at least one citizen a week?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    That's what we need, lets turn this land into a Mexican border town. They are known for their cleanliness and order.
    That's because of what Walter White did.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Lots of "deadbeats" in this country don't have swat show up for payment.
    The ones that violate federal court orders are usually arrested by US Marshals too.

    Bundy may very well get his day in court if a summons to appear is served.

    If he refuses to appear, they will attempt to arrest him without incident, but that depends on if his militia supporters don't interfere with the legal system, if they do, they'll be arrested too.

    The deadbeats you might be talking about are the ones that do not pay their car loans, home loans or other bills like credit cards, those are usually handled by the county court system, this situation Bundy is in is way above that.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I don't know a whole awful lot about militias.

    While I would suspect that, like any other organization, they contain their share of "nut cases", I would also suspect that the large majority of their membership are perfectly sane.

    When you say that the Bundy's have an affiliation with militias that sort of implies that the relationship with a militia predates this issue of the federal government turning a cattle round-up into a show of force that makes Operation Just Cause look like small potatoes.

    Do you have any evidence of that?

    As far as I can tell Bundy actually did not have any relationship with any militia, and is only now using them as body guards because he's got more federal agents on "his" property than there were Marines storming Fallujah.

    Nothing for nothing, but given the rate at which law enforcement officers kill innocent, non-violent civilians in this country, if I had a battalion of cops camping on my front lawn I'd be inclined to accept whatever protection I could find too.
    Sorry but I have no evidence for YOUR assumptions.

    BTW no shots were fired and Clivens son and sister got what they deserved for being assholes.



    You're kind of putting the cart before the horse here.

    The buildup of federal law enforcement "troops" (look at those guys, they're not police officers, they're paramilitaries) preceded the militia turnout by at least a week.

    The cops showed up with assault rifles, MRAPS, and snipers to threaten completely non-violent citizens (note that no civilian out there at the Bundy ranch has yet done ANYTHING to harm or even directly threaten a cop) and a wekk later the militia started pouring in.
    I am guessing that you have no real education about the law enforcement section of the BLM, so it is of no surprise that you are unaware of what they actually do.

    The federal government was training snipers on the Bundy family, and the initial small outpouring of supporters, long before the armed militias showed up and returned the favor.

    I haven't yet heard anything about children being used as human shields. You just made that up.

    There was a report of a plan to put the women up front but it was never actually done because the standoff never actually devolved into actual hostilities.

    Of course, the reports of that plan can be traced back to the comments one man made to a reporter so there's no way of knowing whether or not it was actually something the entire group accepted and planned to adopt.

    For all we know the guy who made the comments was one of the "nut cases" we were talking about above.
    Watch the video again the ass said women and children. But lets just assume that he only said women, **** dude what kind of asshole makes a plan like that? I will tell you what kind of asshole makes a plan like that:A COWARD.



    Likewise, it's also probably only a matter of time before overbearing, militarized law enforcement agents commit an act of overzealous murder.

    Oh, wait, I don't think I've logged on to Facebook once in the past two years without being greeted by yet another story of a cop somewhere abusing his authority and beating, maiming, or killing a citizen simply because he could and then being buried behind the "thin blue line" of lying fellow law enforcement officers and union lawyers only to serve a brief paid suspension while the investigation is swept under the rug.
    You sound a little paranoid, perhaps Facebook isnt the best place to get your information?



    So, one example of a (fringe) militia member becoming a domestic terrorist and literally hundreds of examples every year of law enforcement officers, federal, state, and local, trampling on the rights of American citizens to the point that they needlessly kill or maim several every week.

    You're in New Mexico, isn't the Albuquerque Police Department running up some kind of record where they, alone, try to kill at least one citizen a week?
    All militia are a bunch of anti American idiots that ought to be shot. Yes I said shot but not by the government but by actual patriots.

    I live nowhere near Albuquerque but yes their police force sucks. At any rate why did you bring up a city in my state? Were you trying to say something?

    This is how it played out in Nevada: Cliven Bundy refused 20 years ago to pay grazing fees. Cliven continued all that time to not only graze cattle on the land he used to have a permit for but expanded into the surrounding areas. The BLM continued legal cases against him acquiring two judgments against CLiven.
    20 ****ing years later the BLM after listening to Clivens anti American bull**** decided the nut was dangerous and brought their security agents to protect their staff and contracted personal to remove the cattle. (did I mention they did nothing for 20 ****ing years?) Then the Bundy's show up yelling and pushing the BLM and get tazed and pushed back. So Bundy invites the militia to his ranch all the while confirming the need for armed security detail to be on scene. Then Bundy declares a range war with the federal government while claiming that he doesn't even recognize the US government as even existing.


    Also lets not forget that CLiven Bundy is a lair. He claimed that his familiy has been grazing that land since 1887 but it turns out that the 160 acres that Cliven is on was bought from other owners in 1948. The bundy ranch had no structures recorded by the county in 1951. Hell the Bundy Ranch didnt actually start until the 50's.

    But hey if you want to jump behind and stand side by side with a liar be my guest.


    Oh and another thing. You admitted knowing little to nothing about militia scum. Why should I listen to you then?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If you think the BLM spokesman is lying, and they really did nothing for 20 years then went in with guns blazing and took the poor man's cattle, then it's up to you to show that he was lying.

    That even the government would wait 20 years to take action against a deadbeat simply isn't reasonable.

    How is it my responsibility to prove your claim? You want to blindly just trust the government then have at it....Shame really.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    The ones that violate federal court orders are usually arrested by US Marshals too.

    Bundy may very well get his day in court if a summons to appear is served.

    If he refuses to appear, they will attempt to arrest him without incident, but that depends on if his militia supporters don't interfere with the legal system, if they do, they'll be arrested too.

    The deadbeats you might be talking about are the ones that do not pay their car loans, home loans or other bills like credit cards, those are usually handled by the county court system, this situation Bundy is in is way above that.
    Are you saying that they didn't have any other recourse other than showing up like para military? I don't think that is right....Anyway, we all wanted to know why the government last year was buying up all the ammo, and weapons, I guess now we have our answer....I personally can't wait until all the liberals now supporting these actions are effected by them, then just wait to hear the screaming....
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Are you saying that they didn't have any other recourse other than showing up like para military? I don't think that is right....Anyway, we all wanted to know why the government last year was buying up all the ammo, and weapons, I guess now we have our answer....I personally can't wait until all the liberals now supporting these actions are effected by them, then just wait to hear the screaming....
    For your viewing pleasure:

    Video: Jon Stewart satirizes Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher at the heart of a standoff with feds

    Video: Jon Stewart satirizes Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher at the heart of a standoff with feds

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    For your viewing pleasure:

    Video: Jon Stewart satirizes Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher at the heart of a standoff with feds

    Video: Jon Stewart satirizes Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher at the heart of a standoff with feds

    Who cares what Jon Stewart thinks? He's a comedian, or is it a commentator now? I can't keep it straight when he wants to be taken seriously...I guess it's when he doesn't put his foot in his mouth.
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