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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    If there was any doubt about Cliven Bundy"s involvement with militias look at these photos. It shows bundy being escorted by militia bodyguards. these militia guys look more like thugs than anything. I also note the upside down American flag being flown. Perhaps all the fire power is to protect the Bundy"s from REAL Americans coming in and ****ing kicking their anti American asses?

    This reminds me of old western movies where the rich cattleman has a bunch of thugs working for him and John Wayne comes in and kicks their asses and steals the daughter.





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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    As I have already said, bundy needs to pay his fees. But at the point of a gun??
    When a Marshall shows up to evict someone he's always armed At least in my county. The feds must have expected trouble from this rancher and they were correct in this thinking.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Armed militia show up at Bundy's ranch anticipating the arrival of the federal agents. How did they know federal agents were coming there in the first place?

    How did the federal agents know they should arm themselves when they showed up on the BLM land?

    You know, some people, I won't mention names here, but they must really, really think the militia members were dealing with Barney Fife types.

    It would not come as a surprise to me in the least if the federal government tracks the movements of these militia people, especially after Forest Service and BLM offices have been bombed. One bomb even blew up under a Forest Service Supervisor's vehicle.

    I'm not saying the militia people at Bundy's spread were to blame for these bombings, but understanding that federal agents might move cautiously when confronting militia types would probably be an understatement.

    It's not really in Bundy's interest to become associated with people who show up at his ranch to confront federal officers, any attorney with 1/2 ounce of brains would tell him that. He's pretty much placed himself into a box now, he'll need to find a way out. without his little helpers.

    I'm not familiar with the term "lean".
    First, I think you have who showed up first backwards. But, beyond that, is it up to Bundy to tell a private citizen what rights they can, or can not exercise?

    A "lean" is what is attached to property to signify another party that has first claim..ie: a bank for a loan, or the government when you don't pay your taxes.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Only as a last resort, just like the Bundy affair.
    So, then it should be easy for you to show the actions I outlined...unless you just want to take the word of the government spokesman on this?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    is the land in his name? if so, does it already have a lien affixed to it making the real property judgment proof

    if the land is held in the name of an owner other than the same name in which the court judgment was received, the feds cannot attach someone else's property to recover the debt of another


    is he a wage earner? if so, that could be possible, but how effective is that if his ranch corporation is paying his wages. think they will comply with a garnishment request

    and what if he is not a wage earner. what if his income is the profits from his ranching operation. how does the government reach those ranching profits


    this has very likely been done, after twenty years of court losses by the rancher. however, it is one thing to file a legal judgment, it is quite another to attach assets of the debtor to recover the money owed under the judgment
    what we saw was BLM tempt to attach the cattle to sell at auction to recover against that judgment. the very exercise you criticize


    the rancher made threats. how wise is it to attend a conflict inadequately armed
    I see a lot of "likely" and excuses why other things are dismissed...I'm like MO on this...show me.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    First, I think you have who showed up first backwards. But, beyond that, is it up to Bundy to tell a private citizen what rights they can, or can not exercise?

    A "lean" is what is attached to property to signify another party that has first claim..ie: a bank for a loan, or the government when you don't pay your taxes.
    So, the militia just showed up after federal agents arrived? How? Did they fly in on helicopters, C-130 transports, or what? They weren't there awaiting the arrival of federal agents?

    Lien
    A right given to another by the owner of property to secure a debt, or one created by law in favor of certain creditors.

    A lien is an encumbrance on one person's property to secure a debt the property owner owes to another person. The statement that someone's property is "tied up" describes the effect of liens on both real and Personal Property. Lien is a French word meaning "knot or binding" that was brought to Britain with the French language during the Norman Conquest in 1066.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Indeed. How many of them are collected on by swat?
    How many of them have openly threatened to bring in the militias to an area where Forest Service offices have been bombed in the past?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I see a lot of "likely" and excuses why other things are dismissed...I'm like MO on this...show me.
    why, you already posted your 'facts". i responded with the reasons your "facts" might be found wrong
    let's look at that post of yours:
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So lean his land. Garnish his earnings. File a judgement. But no. Your first jump is to armed force?
    you posted that having no idea about the answers to my questions. which then shows your "facts" might be more than a little wrong about the appropriate actions of the BLM
    in short, it is obvious you have absolutely no idea what the actions of the BLM should be
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, then it should be easy for you to show the actions I outlined...unless you just want to take the word of the government spokesman on this?
    If you think the BLM spokesman is lying, and they really did nothing for 20 years then went in with guns blazing and took the poor man's cattle, then it's up to you to show that he was lying.

    That even the government would wait 20 years to take action against a deadbeat simply isn't reasonable.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    If we want to go back to the original ownership of the land, then we should give deference to the natives and then to Mexico, in that order.
    That's what we need, lets turn this land into a Mexican border town. They are known for their cleanliness and order.

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