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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

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    Yes, they do. Do you see that as a good thing as well?
    They do? You'd have to post that.. .
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

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    They do? You'd have to post that.. .
    ?? you posted it....
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

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    ?? you posted it....
    Go back again I think you misunderstood
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Lots of "deadbeats" in this country don't have swat show up for payment.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, they do. Do you see that as a good thing as well?
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    They do? You'd have to post that.. .
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    ?? you posted it....
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    Go back again I think you misunderstood
    I'm certain I must have misunderstood.

    Perhaps the first of your quotes? I took that to mean that there are lots of other deadbeats besides the cattle rancher we've been discussing.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    As I have already said, bundy needs to pay his fees. But at the point of a gun??
    Repeated court orders ignored. What's your alternative to someone who refuses any and all peaceful attempts to collect?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'm certain I must have misunderstood.

    Perhaps the first of your quotes? I took that to mean that there are lots of other deadbeats besides the cattle rancher we've been discussing.
    Indeed. How many of them are collected on by swat?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Repeated court orders ignored. What's your alternative to someone who refuses any and all peaceful attempts to collect?
    So lean his land. Garnish his earnings. File a judgement. But no. Your first jump is to armed force?
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So lean his land. Garnish his earnings. File a judgement. But no. Your first jump is to armed force?
    Armed militia show up at Bundy's ranch anticipating the arrival of the federal agents. How did they know federal agents were coming there in the first place?

    How did the federal agents know they should arm themselves when they showed up on the BLM land?

    You know, some people, I won't mention names here, but they must really, really think the militia members were dealing with Barney Fife types.

    It would not come as a surprise to me in the least if the federal government tracks the movements of these militia people, especially after Forest Service and BLM offices have been bombed. One bomb even blew up under a Forest Service Supervisor's vehicle.

    I'm not saying the militia people at Bundy's spread were to blame for these bombings, but understanding that federal agents might move cautiously when confronting militia types would probably be an understatement.

    It's not really in Bundy's interest to become associated with people who show up at his ranch to confront federal officers, any attorney with 1/2 ounce of brains would tell him that. He's pretty much placed himself into a box now, he'll need to find a way out. without his little helpers.

    I'm not familiar with the term "lean".

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Indeed. How many of them are collected on by swat?
    Only as a last resort, just like the Bundy affair.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So lean his land. Garnish his earnings. File a judgement. But no. Your first jump is to armed force?

    “For more than two decades, cattle have been grazed illegally on public lands in northeast Clark County,” the BLM said in a statement. “BLM and (the National Park Service) have made repeated attempts to resolve this matter administratively and judicially. Impoundment of cattle illegally grazing on public lands is an option of last resort.”
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So lean his land.
    is the land in his name? if so, does it already have a lien affixed to it making the real property judgment proof

    if the land is held in the name of an owner other than the same name in which the court judgment was received, the feds cannot attach someone else's property to recover the debt of another

    Garnish his earnings.
    is he a wage earner? if so, that could be possible, but how effective is that if his ranch corporation is paying his wages. think they will comply with a garnishment request

    and what if he is not a wage earner. what if his income is the profits from his ranching operation. how does the government reach those ranching profits

    File a judgement.
    this has very likely been done, after twenty years of court losses by the rancher. however, it is one thing to file a legal judgment, it is quite another to attach assets of the debtor to recover the money owed under the judgment
    what we saw was BLM tempt to attach the cattle to sell at auction to recover against that judgment. the very exercise you criticize

    But no. Your first jump is to armed force?
    the rancher made threats. how wise is it to attend a conflict inadequately armed
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