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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle LaValliere View Post
    You mean the Nevada association? That's the whole state, not the area specific to the Bundy episode. What trend do you see in the membership level of that association? I see a Reuters article corroborating "dwindling number of ranchers" and, probably more indicative, the highest beef prices in over a quarter-century partially attributed to a "dwindling number of cattle".
    And all that is due to a grazing fee equivalent to about a third of a pound of hamburger on sale at Save Mart per month?

    This despite the high cost of beef? Those cows are walking gold mines, it seems to me.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    The land he leases doesn't belong to the state though. If you have a mortgage or lease a property, do you make your payments to the person - company - or corporation who is the lienholder - lessor, or, do you make payments to a place which has nothing to do with your lease - purchase? It doesn't get any simpler than that now, does it?
    The leasing rights to the Gold Butte area were sold to Clarke County in 1998. So, he should have been paying Clarke County and he has attempted to do so numerous times over the years.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    The leasing rights to the Gold Butte area were sold to Clarke County in 1998. So, he should have been paying Clarke County and he has attempted to do so numerous times over the years.
    causes one to wonder why he kept trying to pay the wrong entity when the actual payee is trying to get him to pay up
    anyone really think he was attempting to pay his just, legal obligation ... after spending the better part of 20 years in court trying to avoid such payment
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    The leasing rights to the Gold Butte area were sold to Clarke County in 1998. So, he should have been paying Clarke County and he has attempted to do so numerous times over the years.
    No. Incorrect. or 1/2 correct.

    "Mr. Bundy has long falsely believed that Gold Butte is his ranch," added friends of Sloan Canyon's president Terri Robertson. "We all know that is not the reality, and it is time for him for obey the law."
    In 1998, five years after Bundy began to refuse to pay his publicly subsidized grazing fees in 1993, the BLM finally revoked his grazing permit for failure to pay those fees. Clark County then bought out that permit for $375,000 and retired them permanently to protect the desert tortoise under the Clark County Multiple Species Habitat Conservation Plan.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    No. Incorrect. or 1/2 correct.
    Incorrect. Clarke County purchased the leasing rights and all of the permits that fall under them in 1998. What they chose to do with them is irrelevant as Bundy has the right under State law to use that land for grazing. Where his legal argument fails is in the Supremacy Clause.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Incorrect. Clarke County purchased the leasing rights and all of the permits that fall under them in 1998. What they chose to do with them is irrelevant as Bundy has the right under State law to use that land for grazing. Where his legal argument fails is in the Supremacy Clause.
    Actually, local government has final say, Clarke County closed the land to grazing. Bundy dosen't have a legal leg on which to stand upon. In essence what you're saying in this post is that state law takes precedence over local laws. And this is Bundy's defense.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    And all that is due to a grazing fee equivalent to about a third of a pound of hamburger on sale at Save Mart per month?

    This despite the high cost of beef? Those cows are walking gold mines, it seems to me.
    Among other things. Endangered species maps that change depending on Harry Reid's latest crony foreign solar deal, or gas/oil deal, limits on the number of cattle, etc., etc. Only one thing could swing a market as fast as this one has: heavy-handed government.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle LaValliere View Post
    Among other things. Endangered species maps that change depending on Harry Reid's latest crony foreign solar deal, or gas/oil deal, limits on the number of cattle, etc., etc. Only one thing could swing a market as fast as this one has: heavy-handed government.
    yea
    in 1993 they knew a solar facility would be built in 2014 ... and only 200 miles from this site
    your posts like that could get this thread thrown into the conspiracy forum
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yea
    in 1993 they knew a solar facility would be built in 2014 ... and only 200 miles from this site
    your posts like that could get this thread thrown into the conspiracy forum
    That's not even the point. They started pushing ranchers off this land for some reason. Fill in whichever reason you want. Chances are we'll both be wrong and it's actually some shady back-room deal with the mob or whatever the hell. The real point is that they clearly made a conscious decision to upend the lives of all the ranchers in the area, and now those ranchers are gone. If you're fine with that few people wielding that much power to indiscriminately move citizens around like pieces on a chessboard, then I don't have much for you - except remember that when you or someone you care about becomes the next piece. "Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me."

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